Now you see me, now you don't! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Enedhil · 04-27-2002, 03:57 PM

I was just thinking (again - two nights in a row - thats a bad habit i'm getting [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]). When Gollum used the Ring, he was invisible. Same with Bilbo, Frodo and Sam. And they're all hobbits (though we wonder, in Gollum's case). But if anyone else was to use the Ring (i.e. Aragorn?) would they become invisible too? Or is it just a hobbit reaction to the ring?

By the way - how did it fit their little fingers??? presumably they're much smaller than a man's fingers, and in the movie we saw the ring 'shrink' in Isildur's (pardon spelling) hand. Did it shrink further to fit the hobbits?!

Crikey, this question is flying off in every tangent...Apologies

Voronwe · 04-27-2002, 04:43 PM

In answer to the first question, yes, Aragorn (and most other people, excluding Tom of course) would have become invisable had he worn the ring. Isildur, Aragorn's ancestor, became invisible when he wore it. However, I'm not sure if Sauron, the ring's maker, would have become invisable when he wore it. Invisibility can be rather inconvenient sometimes.

Gimli Son Of Gloin · 04-27-2002, 04:56 PM

how come Sauron couldn't forge another ring?

The Half-Hobbit · 04-27-2002, 05:28 PM

I think he put most of his power into the ring...Just like Feanor (that was his name, right? I get those elves all confused [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]) couldn't make more Silmarils, Sauron used all his abilities to make the Ring.

Eowyn of Ithilien · 04-27-2002, 06:26 PM

Yes, Sauron put most of his power into the Ring in order to dominate the others-but the Elves elves were aware of him and concealed their rings.
As for the size of the Ring-the Ring could slip off a finger if it so wished; it would have shrunk to fit the Hobbits as it had to fit Isildur.

Bramblerose Gamgee-Took · 04-28-2002, 02:31 AM

How come the ring didnt affect Tom Bombadil? I've been wondering about this [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Eowyn of Ithilien · 04-28-2002, 03:39 AM

Tom didn't disappear because...he's an enigma [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] teehee...there's lots of threads on the subject
I think part of the reason that it didn't affect him was something Gandalf said-he just doesn't realise the importance of it? If it was given to him he'd like as not lose it...perhaps this lack of respect for its power means it has none over him

TheWindsorStar · 04-28-2002, 08:40 AM

I think that's a good theory, Eowyn. Tom always seemed, for lack of a better word, a little ignorant about the outside world. Being that, what was happening away from his home had little or no effect on him. The ring, presumably, would be the same.

Arwen Imladris · 04-28-2002, 09:22 AM

Ya, I agree about tom. Didn't the ring only do according to the power of the warer? So the hobbits would turn invisable, but someone who was more powerfull could do more. For instace Gandalf, if he wore it he might have been able to turn invisable, but maybe he would also be able to do other things.

VanimaEdhel · 04-30-2002, 06:11 PM

Tom is special! There is no question about that!

What Tom is I do not know (besides an enigma, of course), and I do not believe it is necessarily explained anywhere. Is it possible that he is some sort of Maia (as well as Goldberry)? I do not know...Oh well...

Just saying that Tom is special!

Niphredil Baggins · 05-02-2002, 09:09 AM

I've always been wondering why Sauron wasn't invisible when Isildur cut his finger - if he was, Isildur would have had little change of finding his finger in the first place! Maybe he was powerful enough to decide whether he wanted to be invisible or not.
Bad choice, in that case!

Nevtalathiel · 05-02-2002, 10:40 AM

But if Sauron was invisible, Isildur might have been forgiven for only cutting off his finger, and not killing him properly! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

05-04-2002, 09:32 PM

Isildur couldn't have killed Sauron according to our understanding. Even after the One Ring is destroyed, Sauron himself wasn't completely annihilated, but rather he was reduced to a completely insignificant spirit left to wander aimlessly.

Merendis · 05-04-2002, 09:49 PM

the ring does change shape and weight, seeing as to how it has a life of its own so yes, it did shrink small enough for hobbits fingers. That's how it abandoned gollum, it got too big for him when he was wearing it or something like that, and also notice how it gets heavier as frodo gets closer to mount doom? its not just his perception, it actually physically gets heavier too

Orodhromeus · 05-05-2002, 02:57 PM

I agree on the Ring changing size for it to fit Hobbit fingers, but I disagree on the weight. The Ring getting heavier as Frodo approaches Orodruin is purely the Ring's affect on Frodo and it's not material. Otherwise Sam would have felt the weight too when he lifted Frodo, but it's clearly stated that the weight of the Ring wasn't shared between them.

Elven-Maiden · 05-05-2002, 03:22 PM

Good point, Orodhromeus!

JenFramp · 05-05-2002, 09:49 PM

Child of Eru...You're from Lincoln? So am I! Do you go to LCC? If so what is your name? I'm an R.A over in Harmony.

04-27-2002, 03:57 PM	#1
Enedhil Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 102	Now you see me, now you don't! I was just thinking (again - two nights in a row - thats a bad habit i'm getting [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]). When Gollum used the Ring, he was invisible. Same with Bilbo, Frodo and Sam. And they're all hobbits (though we wonder, in Gollum's case). But if anyone else was to use the Ring (i.e. Aragorn?) would they become invisible too? Or is it just a hobbit reaction to the ring? By the way - how did it fit their little fingers??? presumably they're much smaller than a man's fingers, and in the movie we saw the ring 'shrink' in Isildur's (pardon spelling) hand. Did it shrink further to fit the hobbits?! Crikey, this question is flying off in every tangent...Apologies __________________ Meanwhile these three remain: Faith, Hope and Love. And the greatest of these is Love.

04-27-2002, 04:43 PM	#2
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	In answer to the first question, yes, Aragorn (and most other people, excluding Tom of course) would have become invisable had he worn the ring. Isildur, Aragorn's ancestor, became invisible when he wore it. However, I'm not sure if Sauron, the ring's maker, would have become invisable when he wore it. Invisibility can be rather inconvenient sometimes. __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

04-27-2002, 04:56 PM	#3
Gimli Son Of Gloin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Halls of Montezuma, and the Shores of Tripoli Posts: 495	how come Sauron couldn't forge another ring? __________________ The Few, the Proud, the Marines.

04-27-2002, 05:28 PM	#4
The Half-Hobbit Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 51	I think he put most of his power into the ring...Just like Feanor (that was his name, right? I get those elves all confused [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]) couldn't make more Silmarils, Sauron used all his abilities to make the Ring. __________________ I'm your only friend. I'm not your only friend, But I'm a little glowing friend, But really I'm not actually your friend, But I am. -They Might Be Giants

04-27-2002, 06:26 PM	#5
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	Yes, Sauron put most of his power into the Ring in order to dominate the others-but the Elves elves were aware of him and concealed their rings. As for the size of the Ring-the Ring could slip off a finger if it so wished; it would have shrunk to fit the Hobbits as it had to fit Isildur. __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

04-28-2002, 02:31 AM	#6
Bramblerose Gamgee-Took Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bywater Posts: 67	How come the ring didnt affect Tom Bombadil? I've been wondering about this [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

04-28-2002, 03:39 AM	#7
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	Tom didn't disappear because...he's an enigma [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] teehee...there's lots of threads on the subject I think part of the reason that it didn't affect him was something Gandalf said-he just doesn't realise the importance of it? If it was given to him he'd like as not lose it...perhaps this lack of respect for its power means it has none over him __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

04-28-2002, 08:40 AM	#8
TheWindsorStar Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada Posts: 15	I think that's a good theory, Eowyn. Tom always seemed, for lack of a better word, a little ignorant about the outside world. Being that, what was happening away from his home had little or no effect on him. The ring, presumably, would be the same. __________________ "I will not say: Do not weep; for not all tears are in evil."

04-28-2002, 09:22 AM	#9
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Ya, I agree about tom. Didn't the ring only do according to the power of the warer? So the hobbits would turn invisable, but someone who was more powerfull could do more. For instace Gandalf, if he wore it he might have been able to turn invisable, but maybe he would also be able to do other things. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

04-30-2002, 06:11 PM	#10
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,473	Tom is special! There is no question about that! What Tom is I do not know (besides an enigma, of course), and I do not believe it is necessarily explained anywhere. Is it possible that he is some sort of Maia (as well as Goldberry)? I do not know...Oh well... Just saying that Tom is special! __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

05-02-2002, 09:09 AM	#11
Niphredil Baggins Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 118	I've always been wondering why Sauron wasn't invisible when Isildur cut his finger - if he was, Isildur would have had little change of finding his finger in the first place! Maybe he was powerful enough to decide whether he wanted to be invisible or not. Bad choice, in that case! __________________ Wistful, willful, wingless, fly!

05-02-2002, 10:40 AM	#12
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	But if Sauron was invisible, Isildur might have been forgiven for only cutting off his finger, and not killing him properly! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

05-04-2002, 09:32 PM	#13
eruchild Guest Posts: n/a	Isildur couldn't have killed Sauron according to our understanding. Even after the One Ring is destroyed, Sauron himself wasn't completely annihilated, but rather he was reduced to a completely insignificant spirit left to wander aimlessly.

05-04-2002, 09:49 PM	#14
Merendis Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: An hour from Eden and the Stairway to Hell Posts: 45	the ring does change shape and weight, seeing as to how it has a life of its own so yes, it did shrink small enough for hobbits fingers. That's how it abandoned gollum, it got too big for him when he was wearing it or something like that, and also notice how it gets heavier as frodo gets closer to mount doom? its not just his perception, it actually physically gets heavier too __________________ Merendis Mthe Mmariner's Mwife Riding one day in the forest of the Westlands he saw a woman, whose dark hair flowed in the wind, and about her was a green cloak...and he knew her for Erendis...then suddenly he knew in himself the love that he bore her, and he felt the emptiness of his days.

05-05-2002, 02:57 PM	#15
Orodhromeus Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greece Posts: 106	I agree on the Ring changing size for it to fit Hobbit fingers, but I disagree on the weight. The Ring getting heavier as Frodo approaches Orodruin is purely the Ring's affect on Frodo and it's not material. Otherwise Sam would have felt the weight too when he lifted Frodo, but it's clearly stated that the weight of the Ring wasn't shared between them.

05-05-2002, 03:22 PM	#16
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 307	Good point, Orodhromeus! __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile

05-05-2002, 09:49 PM	#17
JenFramp Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Zionsville Posts: 90	Child of Eru...You're from Lincoln? So am I! Do you go to LCC? If so what is your name? I'm an R.A over in Harmony. __________________ And seeing a picture of Jesus he cried out,"Momma, he's got some scars just like me." And he knew it was love, It was one he could understand He was showing his love, And that's how he hurt his hands.