Is there a people called the Avari anywhere in LOTR? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

08-04-2003, 01:30 PM

I was just wondering if there really were and race of elves called the Avari. From what I've read from other people they are said to be like...the Gothic form of elves. If someone could tell me that would be great! Ok bye!

Nils · 08-04-2003, 01:37 PM

Avari were Elves. When the Valar called the Elves to the Blessed lands, many of the Elves were afraid of the them. They had bad dealings with Melkor and were afraid.

Orome was able to convince many of the Elves to follow him to the Blessed Lands, but many would not go. Those Elves who started out on the Great Journey were called Eldar, while those who would not go were called Avari.

Avari and Eldar are exactly the same race. The only difference is between going on the great journey or wanting to stay in Middle-earth from the get go.

All of this took place in the First Age, well before the time of The Lord of the Rings. I'm sure there were Avari living in both Rivendale and Lothlorien.

[ August 04, 2003: Message edited by: Nils ]

Meneltarmacil · 08-04-2003, 02:10 PM

Yes there were, and while I am convinced they sayed in their homeland, Piosenniel thinks they moved to Mirkwood later.

Dragon Elf odin Ragnorock · 08-04-2003, 02:20 PM

I agree with meneltarmcil on that on it also said somthing about them in the samerilion(or atleast I think I rememer somethg about them there) if you want to look it up for yourself.

08-04-2003, 01:30 PM	#1
Alkvingiel Guest Posts: n/a	Is there a people called the Avari anywhere in LOTR? I was just wondering if there really were and race of elves called the Avari. From what I've read from other people they are said to be like...the Gothic form of elves. If someone could tell me that would be great! Ok bye!

08-04-2003, 01:37 PM	#2
Nils Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 129	Avari were Elves. When the Valar called the Elves to the Blessed lands, many of the Elves were afraid of the them. They had bad dealings with Melkor and were afraid. Orome was able to convince many of the Elves to follow him to the Blessed Lands, but many would not go. Those Elves who started out on the Great Journey were called Eldar, while those who would not go were called Avari. Avari and Eldar are exactly the same race. The only difference is between going on the great journey or wanting to stay in Middle-earth from the get go. All of this took place in the First Age, well before the time of The Lord of the Rings. I'm sure there were Avari living in both Rivendale and Lothlorien. [ August 04, 2003: Message edited by: Nils ] __________________ For by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned ~Matthew 12:37

08-04-2003, 02:10 PM	#3
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,287	Yes there were, and while I am convinced they sayed in their homeland, Piosenniel thinks they moved to Mirkwood later. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

08-04-2003, 02:20 PM	#4
Dragon Elf odin Ragnorock Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In The countless forests Posts: 35	I agree with meneltarmcil on that on it also said somthing about them in the samerilion(or atleast I think I rememer somethg about them there) if you want to look it up for yourself. __________________ "People that we have lost or dreams that have faded....... we will never forget them" Yuna