The effect of the Ring - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lothiriel Silmarien · 08-14-2002, 08:14 PM

Just watching FotR today, and my sister pointed something out. How come the Ring didn't have the same effect on Bilbo as it did with Frodo? Frodo saw everything blurry and how the wraiths saw it, but that's not how it was with Bilbo. I told her that maybe it was because Sauron wasn't as strong as he was in the time when Bilbo used it, and that's why he didn't get that same effect that Frodo got. Most likely I am wrong, but I just was wondering what everyone else thinks.

Orome · 08-14-2002, 09:06 PM

i havent seen it yet. it could just be an inconsistancy by the director.

I think that it could be the point of view.

Bulelainwen · 08-14-2002, 09:11 PM

when bilbo put on the ring it didnt show what he say it showed what we say with him with the ring on (that why theres the footstep sounds) at least i think thats why, and when frodo has the ring on it shows what he sees.

Davin · 08-14-2002, 09:12 PM

[img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] You haven't seen FotR yet!!! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

That sounds reasonable to me...I'll look up on it

Kuruharan · 08-14-2002, 09:20 PM

I'd say that it could be explained as something that Bilbo experienced but did not write down. Even when Sam put on the Ring in Mordor (where one would expect the effect to be greater being that much closer to Sauron) the change in vision is described as a "dimming" with things becoming "vague." Sam could still see the orcs, just not quite as well as usual. Bilbo could then still see things if a little less clearly. He might have attributed it to the usual effect of such "magic" rings that was not worth mentioning.

However, this theory is a little damaged because of his ability to see Gollum in the goblin tunnels. He could probably not see well to begin with, and if his sight was further dimmed by the Ring, one has to wonder how he could see Gollum sitting in the tunnel with his arms spread ready to pounce.

[Edit: The movie did make the scenes when Frodo had the Ring on rather "hyperactive" with all the winds and blurred lines and so forth.]

[ August 14, 2002: Message edited by: Kuruharan ]

Orome · 08-14-2002, 09:34 PM

I saw it, i just havent seen it in about 7 months

what i was trying to say Bulelainwen put quite succinctly.

Davin · 08-14-2002, 09:58 PM

Oh! Ok....I was worried for a second! Hehe. Well...you should watch it. My family is leaving me for the weekend....so the during the time I'm not with my girlfriend...I'll be watching FotR constantly!!!!

Roquen · 08-15-2002, 01:03 AM

Hi all, First off, this is my first post here! Cool site! Anyway, my own thoughs about the Ring; I think that you have to remember that the effects of the Ring increased when the dark power emerged from Mirkwood again, increasing the potency of the Ring's effect on Frodo compared to Bilbo. Also, I think the reason that Bilbo could see Gollum so well is the same reason that Frodo could see the Nuzgul. Gollum had the Ring for so long that he was kind of in the shadow realm that the Ringwraiths inhabited. Therefore, Gollum was probably MORE visable with the Ring on than without. Hope that all makes sence! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Altariel · 08-15-2002, 02:06 AM

I don't think it was an inconsistency by the director... I believe the books said that the world dimmed and faded when Frodo put on the Ring, but that the Ringwraiths were now clearly visible...

Welcome to the Downs, Roquen.

PS: If someone had already said what I did (about the inconsistency...) what I really wanted to do was see if my shiny new Sephiroth gif works. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

08-14-2002, 08:14 PM	#1
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	The effect of the Ring Just watching FotR today, and my sister pointed something out. How come the Ring didn't have the same effect on Bilbo as it did with Frodo? Frodo saw everything blurry and how the wraiths saw it, but that's not how it was with Bilbo. I told her that maybe it was because Sauron wasn't as strong as he was in the time when Bilbo used it, and that's why he didn't get that same effect that Frodo got. Most likely I am wrong, but I just was wondering what everyone else thinks. __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

08-14-2002, 09:12 PM	#4
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	[img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] You haven't seen FotR yet!!! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] That sounds reasonable to me...I'll look up on it __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-14-2002, 09:20 PM	#5
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,589	I'd say that it could be explained as something that Bilbo experienced but did not write down. Even when Sam put on the Ring in Mordor (where one would expect the effect to be greater being that much closer to Sauron) the change in vision is described as a "dimming" with things becoming "vague." Sam could still see the orcs, just not quite as well as usual. Bilbo could then still see things if a little less clearly. He might have attributed it to the usual effect of such "magic" rings that was not worth mentioning. However, this theory is a little damaged because of his ability to see Gollum in the goblin tunnels. He could probably not see well to begin with, and if his sight was further dimmed by the Ring, one has to wonder how he could see Gollum sitting in the tunnel with his arms spread ready to pounce. [Edit: The movie did make the scenes when Frodo had the Ring on rather "hyperactive" with all the winds and blurred lines and so forth.] [ August 14, 2002: Message edited by: Kuruharan ] __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

08-14-2002, 09:58 PM	#7
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	Oh! Ok....I was worried for a second! Hehe. Well...you should watch it. My family is leaving me for the weekend....so the during the time I'm not with my girlfriend...I'll be watching FotR constantly!!!! __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-15-2002, 01:03 AM	#8
Roquen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 12	Hi all, First off, this is my first post here! Cool site! Anyway, my own thoughs about the Ring; I think that you have to remember that the effects of the Ring increased when the dark power emerged from Mirkwood again, increasing the potency of the Ring's effect on Frodo compared to Bilbo. Also, I think the reason that Bilbo could see Gollum so well is the same reason that Frodo could see the Nuzgul. Gollum had the Ring for so long that he was kind of in the shadow realm that the Ringwraiths inhabited. Therefore, Gollum was probably MORE visable with the Ring on than without. Hope that all makes sence! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Beware of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!

08-14-2002, 09:06 PM	#2
Orome Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 195	i havent seen it yet. it could just be an inconsistancy by the director. I think that it could be the point of view.

08-14-2002, 09:11 PM	#3
Bulelainwen Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: In a squeaking chair in front of the computer Posts: 40	when bilbo put on the ring it didnt show what he say it showed what we say with him with the ring on (that why theres the footstep sounds) at least i think thats why, and when frodo has the ring on it shows what he sees.

08-14-2002, 09:34 PM	#6
Orome Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 195	I saw it, i just havent seen it in about 7 months what i was trying to say Bulelainwen put quite succinctly.

08-15-2002, 02:06 AM	#9
Altariel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Angband (a small region in northern BC) Posts: 50	I don't think it was an inconsistency by the director... I believe the books said that the world dimmed and faded when Frodo put on the Ring, but that the Ringwraiths were now clearly visible... Welcome to the Downs, Roquen. PS: If someone had already said what I did (about the inconsistency...) what I really wanted to do was see if my shiny new Sephiroth gif works. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ "Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy."