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Amarantha_Daisy · 09-07-2003, 07:35 PM

Okay. I think I found a mistake in the movie's Elvish translation, but I'm not sure and I was hoping someone could help me clear this up.When we first (unfortunatly ) meet Arwen, she introduces herself to Frodo by saying in Sindarin, "Im Arwen" which the subtitles tell us means "I am Arwen." Now, I'm still a beginner in Sindarin, but I thought that "Im" was translated as "I"Isn't "I am" "Non" in Sindarin? I think Arwen is saying "I Arwen" rather than "I am Arwen" ... Or is my translation wrong? If I'm correct, Arwen really needs some grammer lessons

Iargwath · 09-10-2003, 11:11 PM

This is the exact translation that is given at the <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie.htm" TARGET=_blank>Elvish Language and Literature</A> website:Arwen: Frodo, im Arwen. Telin le thaed. Lasto beth nîn, tolo dan nan galad.Arwen: 'I am Arwen - I've come to help you. Hear my voice... Come back to the light.' [lit. 'Frodo, I [am] Arwen. I come to help you. Listen to my word, come back to [the] light.'] im pron. 'I'. telin v. 'I come; I have come'; cf. tol- 'come'.le pron. 'you'.thaed inf. 'to help'; derivative of *STA- 'help'. lasto v. imp. 'listen'.beth n. 'word; *voice'; <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/sindarin_phonetics.htm#soft" TARGET=_blank>lenited</A> form of peth. nîn pron. 'my'. tolo v. imp. 'come'. dan adv. 'back'.nan adv. 'to the'; it is derived from na 'to, towards' + i(n) 'the'galad n. 'light'; <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/sindarin_phonetics.htm#soft" TARGET=_blank>lenited</A> form of calad 'light'.

Amarantha_Daisy · 09-11-2003, 07:40 PM

Ooo! Thanks for that! What a nice page... *adds to favorites* This could come in very handy...

09-07-2003, 07:35 PM	#1
Amarantha_Daisy Wight Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bag End... On Frodo's laptop. Shhhh! Don't tell! Posts: 240	Me Arwen. You Jane. Okay. I think I found a mistake in the movie's Elvish translation, but I'm not sure and I was hoping someone could help me clear this up.<P>When we first (unfortunatly ) meet Arwen, she introduces herself to Frodo by saying in Sindarin, "Im Arwen" which the subtitles tell us means "I am Arwen." Now, I'm still a beginner in Sindarin, but I thought that "Im" was translated as "I"<P>Isn't "I am" "Non" in Sindarin? I think Arwen is saying "I Arwen" rather than "I am Arwen" ... Or is my translation wrong? If I'm correct, Arwen really needs some grammer lessons __________________ "I did not see the Balrog until I saw the film! He was -- it was -- just a yellow tennis ball on top of a pole for me to shout at. I felt like screaming 'You shall not bounce!'" ~Sir Ian McKellen October 20, 2005 - 1st Annual Golden Ring Marathon! Spread the Word!

09-10-2003, 11:11 PM	#2
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 237	This is the exact translation that is given at the <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie.htm" TARGET=_blank>Elvish Language and Literature</A> website:<P><I>Arwen</I>: Frodo, im Arwen. Telin le thaed. Lasto beth nîn, tolo dan nan galad.<P>Arwen: '<B>I am Arwen - I've come to help you. Hear my voice... Come back to the light.</B>' [lit. 'Frodo, I [am] Arwen. I come to help you. Listen to my word, come back to [the] light.'] <P>im <I>pron</I>. 'I'. <P>telin <I>v</I>. 'I come; I have come'; cf. <B>tol</B>- 'come'.<P>le <I>pron</I>. 'you'.<P>thaed <I>inf</I>. 'to help'; derivative of <B>STA</B>- 'help'. <P>lasto <I>v</I>. <I>imp</I>. 'listen'.<P>beth <I>n</I>. 'word; voice'; <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/sindarin_phonetics.htm#soft" TARGET=_blank>lenited</A> form of <B>peth</B>. <P>nîn <I>pron</I>. 'my'. <P>tolo <I>v</I>. <I>imp</I>. 'come'. <P>dan <I>adv</I>. 'back'.<P>nan <I>adv</I>. 'to the'; it is derived from <B>na</B> 'to, towards' + <B>i(n)</B> 'the'<P>galad <I>n</I>. 'light'; <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/sindarin_phonetics.htm#soft" TARGET=_blank>lenited</A> form of <B>calad</B> 'light'. __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

09-11-2003, 07:40 PM	#3
Amarantha_Daisy Wight Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bag End... On Frodo's laptop. Shhhh! Don't tell! Posts: 240	Ooo! Thanks for that! What a nice page... adds to favorites This could come in very handy... __________________ "I did not see the Balrog until I saw the film! He was -- it was -- just a yellow tennis ball on top of a pole for me to shout at. I felt like screaming 'You shall not bounce!'" ~Sir Ian McKellen October 20, 2005 - 1st Annual Golden Ring Marathon! Spread the Word!