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Old 11-05-2004, 02:30 AM   #321
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You have it, Fingolfin II
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Old 11-05-2004, 07:07 PM   #323
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Who is Fingolfin's daughter's son's father's oldest brother-in-law's son's herald's brother's niece's husband?
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Old 11-05-2004, 07:09 PM   #324
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Old 11-06-2004, 07:48 PM   #325
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Old 11-06-2004, 08:27 PM   #326
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Name two ways Elrond and Túrin are related (one on their mothers' sides and one on their fathers' sides).
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Old 11-07-2004, 05:27 AM   #327
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Elrond's father's father was Turin's cousin.
Elrond's mother's father's father's cousin's daughter was Turin's mother.
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:14 AM   #328
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Old 11-07-2004, 08:24 AM   #329
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Who was Maedhros cousin's daughter (two possible answers)?
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Old 11-07-2004, 05:06 PM   #330
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Idril & Finduilas & Celebrian (I count three )
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Old 11-08-2004, 12:31 PM   #331
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Oops, forgot Idril, and you are of course right. Take it away!
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Old 11-08-2004, 05:51 PM   #332
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How are Elrond's own children related to him, except their relationship as sons and daughter, of course!
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Old 11-09-2004, 12:12 PM   #333
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Elrond is their third cousin, once removed.
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Old 11-09-2004, 08:42 PM   #334
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Hummmm..NightKnight, could you explain that. I am having trouble seeing the relationship that way. I am seeing it a different way...but, I might be missing something.
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Old 11-11-2004, 12:00 PM   #335
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Well, Galadriel and Turgon were first cousins. That makes Idril and Celebrian second cousins, and Eärendil and Arwen/Elladan/Elrohir third cousins. And then Elrond is their third cousin, once removed. Some of the phrases might be wrong, but I think I've got it right.
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Old 11-11-2004, 06:18 PM   #336
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Ah, I can see it that way too now.
The answer I was looking for was 'fourth cousins'. Elrond was a fourth cousin to his own children as follows:
1st cousins: Luthien and Earwen
2nd cousins: Dior and Galadriel
3rd cousins: Elwing and Celebrian
4th cousins: Elrond and Elladan/Elrohir/Arwen

Following the line as you did shows that Elrond and his grandson were also four th cousins!

Do you suppose that all the inbreeding is what caused their ears to be pointed?

Since your answer is correct, it is your turn!
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Old 11-14-2004, 06:22 AM   #337
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That's it! You've solved it!

How were Merry and Pippin related?
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Old 11-15-2004, 09:12 AM   #338
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I believe that they were first cousins
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Old 11-16-2004, 05:29 AM   #340
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Who are "double first cousins" to each other?
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Old 11-20-2004, 08:36 AM   #341
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(groan...drags thread back to activity...muscle ache... )

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Yes please. They're not hobbits, are they?
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Old 11-21-2004, 08:06 PM   #343
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No, not hobbits.

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Old 11-25-2004, 08:32 PM   #344
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Old 11-26-2004, 06:18 AM   #345
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Exactly, good job Firefoot
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Old 11-26-2004, 08:34 AM   #346
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What is the most distant way that Merry and Frodo are related?

(I hope this is at least remotely hard - it's getting tricky to come up with good questions for this game. )
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Old 11-30-2004, 07:21 AM   #347
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how about second cousins, once removed?
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All the hobbits are related somehow. The most distant way would be several pages long.
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Who is Arwen's paternal first cousin thrice removed?
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Who is Arwen's paternal first cousin thrice removed?
I think she has several, none of whom she lived at the same time as.

Her paternal first cousin is her father's sibling's child - ie, Vardamir Nolimon, titular second King of Numenor. That much I could do without looking at the family tree.

You can't go three generations up from Vardamir (well, you can, but you hit Earendil, who's Arwen's grandad, not her cousin), so you have to go down. Known members of the fifth generation of the House of Elros are:

-Irimion Tar-Meneldur, big fan of stars, not a big fan of his son bickering with his wife.
-Silmarien, unfairly untitled mother of the Lords of Andunie.
-Isilme, the 'and Peggy' of Tar-Elendil's kids.
-Caliondo, grandson of Tar-Amandil, and father of Malantur, Tar-Aldarion's heir apparent until he changed the law to let Ancalime rule (quite right too).
-Cemendur, great-grandson of Vardamir, and grandfather of Hallacar husband of Ancalime.
-Lindisse, sister of the above.
-Ardamir, brother of the above.

That's, what, seven named characters in the fifth generation? I've got to be honest, I didn't expect anywhere near that many. I'm not at all sure I haven't missed a couple, either.

(Does the tree branch out this much all the way down? I kind of want to look into that at some point...)

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Nope.



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Nope.

I got the information I am after from Sporcle.
Are you saying nope, none of those are that type of cousin, or nope, I didn't find the one you're after?

(Maeglin is her paternal fourth cousin thrice removed, incidentally; I know because I checked that first. )

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Are you saying nope, none of those are that type of cousin, or nope, I didn't find the one you're after?

(Maeglin is her paternal fourth cousin thrice removed, incidentally; I know because I checked that first. )

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Well, then Sporcle gave me false information.

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Well, then Sporcle gave me false information.

You have failed me, Sporcle.
Ah, but cousinness isn't reversible. The degree of cousin is based on how far back you have to go for a shared ancestor: first is a shared grandparent, second a shared Great-grandparent, etc. Maeglin's granddad was Fingolfin, who is Arwen's ancestor, but he's Arwen's great-great-great-granddad, hence fourth cousin from her side. (The remove is how many generations apart they are; that stays the same.)

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Ah, but cousinness isn't reversible. The degree of cousin is based on how far back you have to go for a shared ancestor: first is a shared grandparent, second a shared Great-grandparent, etc. Maeglin's granddad was Fingolfin, who is Arwen's ancestor, but he's Arwen's great-great-great-granddad, hence fourth cousin from her side. (The remove is how many generations apart they are; that stays the same.)

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So clearly they didn't know that.

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And I guess it's me?

At the time of the War of the Ring, Gimli has one known living cousin at zero removes - ie, just a first, second, third etc cousin. What degree of cousin is he?

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