Bergil?...Was that you? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

MYyyPreciousSS · 01-06-2004, 12:45 AM

As Faramir and his company ride to the fallen Osgiliath, you see the people of Gondor watching from Minas Tirith. Yet, along with the men, in one shot, there is a young boy leaning on the wall, looking out. Perhaps this is PJ's nod to Bergil? If I remember right, at one point, Pippin and Bergil look out from Minas Tirith. Embarrassingly though, I can not place where this happens. I dont think it happened during Faramir's leaving. But even so, many times PJ takes an event, puts it in another spot then in the book, and changes things a bit. Maybe this is Bergil, and we might see at least a little connection between Pippin and him in the Extended verison. Possibly when Pippin is givin his armor, since that was Bergil's job.What do you think, Bergil or just plain young boy?

Alatariel · 01-06-2004, 01:48 AM

I think that what you are looking for is located in the "Minas Tirith" chapter of RotK. Pippin and Bergil go down to the main gates of the city and watch the companies of the allies of Gondor march into the city. This does not include Faramir, since he enters later pursued by the Ringwraiths. However, since PJ totally left out all of the other allies, you could very well be right in guessing that the lad was Bergil and that there will be more on the EE. I certainly hope so! [ 2:49 AM January 06, 2004: Message edited by: Alatariel ]

MYyyPreciousSS · 01-06-2004, 02:58 PM

Thank you Alatariel for clearing that up. I did not have the time yesterday to look it up, and I wanted to make sure I posted this idea before I forgot to. I was pretty sure that Faramir was not envolved in what Pippin and Bergil watch and and now I remember. Still hoping its Bergil.

01-06-2004, 12:45 AM	#1
MYyyPreciousSS Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the Here and Now Posts: 113	Bergil?...Was that you? As Faramir and his company ride to the fallen Osgiliath, you see the people of Gondor watching from Minas Tirith. Yet, along with the men, in one shot, there is a young boy leaning on the wall, looking out. Perhaps this is PJ's nod to Bergil? If I remember right, at one point, Pippin and Bergil look out from Minas Tirith. Embarrassingly though, I can not place where this happens. I dont think it happened during Faramir's leaving. But even so, many times PJ takes an event, puts it in another spot then in the book, and changes things a bit. Maybe this is Bergil, and we might see at least a little connection between Pippin and him in the Extended verison. Possibly when Pippin is givin his armor, since that was Bergil's job.<P>What do you think, Bergil or just plain young boy? __________________ Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. And suddenly her winter passed, and the sun shone on her. "My Preciousss" - the line that started the obsession.

01-06-2004, 01:48 AM	#2
Alatariel Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Cliffs of Insanity Posts: 178	I think that what you are looking for is located in the "Minas Tirith" chapter of RotK. Pippin and Bergil go down to the main gates of the city and watch the companies of the allies of Gondor march into the city. This does not include Faramir, since he enters later pursued by the Ringwraiths. However, since PJ totally left out all of the other allies, you could very well be right in guessing that the lad was Bergil and that there will be more on the EE. I certainly hope so! <BR> <p>[ 2:49 AM January 06, 2004: Message edited by: Alatariel ] __________________ You mean you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword and we'll try to kill each other like civilized people?

01-06-2004, 02:58 PM	#3
MYyyPreciousSS Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the Here and Now Posts: 113	Thank you <I>Alatariel </I> for clearing that up. I did not have the time yesterday to look it up, and I wanted to make sure I posted this idea before I forgot to. I was pretty sure that Faramir was not envolved in what Pippin and Bergil watch and and now I remember. <BR>Still hoping its Bergil. __________________ Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. And suddenly her winter passed, and the sun shone on her. "My Preciousss" - the line that started the obsession.