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Helkahothion · 06-30-2003, 06:00 AM

Gandalf did not life when Glaurung lived in Middle-Earth. Being the father of all dragons, he should be the best. It's like saying Shelob is better than Ungoliant. Not likely true either. But of course, some dragons have cooler abileties than others in someones abilety. In battle, Glaurung would kick butt if you ask me.

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[ June 30, 2003: Message edited by: Helkahothion ]

Lord of Angmar · 06-30-2003, 10:15 AM

I wonder who would win if Glaurung and Ancalagon the Black fought. Ancalagon, after all, was the mightiest of the WINGED dragons, who were probably physically more powerful than the land Worms. Still, Glaurung was extremely crafty... He probably could have put a spell on Ancalagon.

Finwe · 06-30-2003, 10:33 AM

True, but Ancalagon could have flown up and kept harrying Glaurung from the air. Glaurung can only put spells on people/things if they look him in the eye, like what Turin and Nienor did.

07-18-2003, 09:18 PM

my vote is for glaurung,because he was the most evil,and the most cunning

Estelyn Telcontar · 07-21-2003, 04:18 AM

Ah, another old opinion topic has resurfaced! I'm moving it to the Novices and Newcomers forum, where we now place the "favorite" threads. Please continue to read and post there.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-21-2003, 06:40 AM

Seemingly a convenient moment for an update on the scores:

Smaug: 11 1/2
Glaurung: 19
Chrysophylax: 8 1/2
Scatha: 2
Ancalagon: 13 1/2

Can any of the others catch Glaurung, or is it now just a one-Dragon race? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Silver Dragon · 08-03-2003, 08:19 PM

I think Ancalagon was the most passable of the Tolkien Dragons I've read about...

Smaug-was just stupid (idiot dragon...showed a person he couldn't see he only weakness..was too lazy to clog up the hole in the wall...I could go on...)... [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img]
Glaurung-did he really have nothing better to do? He went rampaging about...killed a couple armies...and his own army of orcs...felled bridges...collected a cashe of jewels/gold/precious things...would have been better if he had had wings...and died in a better way than having a sword thrust in his bloated belly...terrible way to go... [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Chrysophylax-never really finished Farmer Giles...only skimmed the first part [sorry Lhachwen...]...so I can't really say much about him... [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]
Scatha-don't remember anything about him (if I ever read anything about him...) [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

So I guess my vote goes to Ancalagon the Black...winged dragon who was slain by a Silmaril-bearer...and a lot of big birds... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[ August 04, 2003: Message edited by: Silver Dragon ]

Lord of Angmar · 08-03-2003, 10:50 PM

While I agree that Ancalagon was probably the mightiest of all the dragons, I think you underrate Glaurung. He was extremely cunning, and (probably) much craftier than Ancalagon. While I'm sure he wouldn't beat the Black in a purely physical duel, his overall power rivaled that of Ancalagon because of his hypnotic powers. Give him his due credit. He was, after all, able to drive the strongest Man ever to madness and suicide.

Silver Dragon · 08-03-2003, 11:33 PM

Agreed on the madness/suicide part...but was the hypnotic power limited specifically to Glaurung?

Dragon Elf odin Ragnorock · 08-05-2003, 11:02 AM

I would have to say Smaug and Ancalagon because they had the best personality of a dragon.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 08-05-2003, 03:35 PM

Well, my favorites are Glaurung and Chrysophylax.

Glaurung is just so chillingly evil. He caused so much destruction and so much despair. He really did his job as a dragon. And I think it's fascinating how he winds himself through the Narn i Hin Hurin.

Chrysophylax is funny. He could be considered as bad (he's a dragon; Tolkien dragons are bad), but he's a very interesting character.

I love dragons, so I like the others too, but these two definately hold precendence in my mind.

Meneltarmacil · 08-05-2003, 04:15 PM

Beyond all doubt, I think Smaug deserves the Best Dragon Award. I vote for him. Glaurung showed a lot of personality, but he couldn't fly like a "proper dragon" should. Ancalagon could fly and breathe fire and was extremely powerful but had no personality. Smaug had great lines in The Hobbit and he was really good in combat as well.

Here is the current tally:
Smaug: 13
Glaurung: 19 1/2
Chrysophylax: 9
Scatha: 2
Ancalagon: 14
(note: Dragon Elf Odin Ragnorock voted half for Smaug and half for Ancalagon, and Luthien_Tinuviel voted half for Glaurung and half for Chrysophylax)

Glaurung is still in the lead, but Ancalagon is slowly catching up with Smaug a close third. Chrysophylax is fourth and Scatha is left in the dust.

[ August 05, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ]

Galadrie1 · 08-08-2003, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Chrysophylax-never really finished Farmer Giles...only skimmed the first part [sorry Lhachwen...]...so I can't really say much about him...

Tsk tsk, you should finish it! It's good, I promise. You can burn all my hair off if you don't like it (whoa, don't ask me where I came up with that).

Still rootin' for my dear Chrysophylax,
Galad [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ August 08, 2003: Message edited by: Galadrie1 ]

littlemanpoet · 12-19-2003, 08:43 PM

Up! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Smaug: 13
Glaurung: 19 1/2
Chrysophylax: 9
Scatha: 2
Ancalagon: 14

Cast your vote! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Remember, everybody gets to vote just once.

06-30-2003, 10:15 AM	#82
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	I wonder who would win if Glaurung and Ancalagon the Black fought. Ancalagon, after all, was the mightiest of the WINGED dragons, who were probably physically more powerful than the land Worms. Still, Glaurung was extremely crafty... He probably could have put a spell on Ancalagon. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

06-30-2003, 10:33 AM	#83
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	True, but Ancalagon could have flown up and kept harrying Glaurung from the air. Glaurung can only put spells on people/things if they look him in the eye, like what Turin and Nienor did. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

07-21-2003, 04:18 AM	#85
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,499	Ah, another old opinion topic has resurfaced! I'm moving it to the Novices and Newcomers forum, where we now place the "favorite" threads. Please continue to read and post there. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

07-21-2003, 06:40 AM	#86
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Seemingly a convenient moment for an update on the scores: Smaug: 11 1/2 Glaurung: 19 Chrysophylax: 8 1/2 Scatha: 2 Ancalagon: 13 1/2 Can any of the others catch Glaurung, or is it now just a one-Dragon race? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-03-2003, 08:19 PM	#87
Silver Dragon Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Arg-eth Posts: 35	I think Ancalagon was the most passable of the Tolkien Dragons I've read about... Smaug-was just stupid (idiot dragon...showed a person he couldn't see he only weakness..was too lazy to clog up the hole in the wall...I could go on...)... [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img] Glaurung-did he really have nothing better to do? He went rampaging about...killed a couple armies...and his own army of orcs...felled bridges...collected a cashe of jewels/gold/precious things...would have been better if he had had wings...and died in a better way than having a sword thrust in his bloated belly...terrible way to go... [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] Chrysophylax-never really finished Farmer Giles...only skimmed the first part [sorry Lhachwen...]...so I can't really say much about him... [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Scatha-don't remember anything about him (if I ever read anything about him...) [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] So I guess my vote goes to Ancalagon the Black...winged dragon who was slain by a Silmaril-bearer...and a lot of big birds... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [ August 04, 2003: Message edited by: Silver Dragon ] __________________ "One is one and all alone and evermore shall be it so."

06-30-2003, 06:00 AM	#81
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	Gandalf did not life when Glaurung lived in Middle-Earth. Being the father of all dragons, he should be the best. It's like saying Shelob is better than Ungoliant. Not likely true either. But of course, some dragons have cooler abileties than others in someones abilety. In battle, Glaurung would kick butt if you ask me. Abedithon le, Anuion *edit ooooooh, pwetty new pages [ June 30, 2003: Message edited by: Helkahothion ]

07-18-2003, 09:18 PM	#84
Pablo Guest Posts: n/a	my vote is for glaurung,because he was the most evil,and the most cunning

08-03-2003, 10:50 PM	#88
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	While I agree that Ancalagon was probably the mightiest of all the dragons, I think you underrate Glaurung. He was extremely cunning, and (probably) much craftier than Ancalagon. While I'm sure he wouldn't beat the Black in a purely physical duel, his overall power rivaled that of Ancalagon because of his hypnotic powers. Give him his due credit. He was, after all, able to drive the strongest Man ever to madness and suicide. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

08-03-2003, 11:33 PM	#89
Silver Dragon Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Arg-eth Posts: 35	Agreed on the madness/suicide part...but was the hypnotic power limited specifically to Glaurung? __________________ "One is one and all alone and evermore shall be it so."

08-05-2003, 11:02 AM	#90
Dragon Elf odin Ragnorock Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In The countless forests Posts: 35	I would have to say Smaug and Ancalagon because they had the best personality of a dragon. __________________ "People that we have lost or dreams that have faded....... we will never forget them" Yuna

08-05-2003, 03:35 PM	#91
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Well, my favorites are Glaurung and Chrysophylax. Glaurung is just so chillingly evil. He caused so much destruction and so much despair. He really did his job as a dragon. And I think it's fascinating how he winds himself through the Narn i Hin Hurin. Chrysophylax is funny. He could be considered as bad (he's a dragon; Tolkien dragons are bad), but he's a very interesting character. I love dragons, so I like the others too, but these two definately hold precendence in my mind. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

08-05-2003, 04:15 PM	#92
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	Beyond all doubt, I think Smaug deserves the Best Dragon Award. I vote for him. Glaurung showed a lot of personality, but he couldn't fly like a "proper dragon" should. Ancalagon could fly and breathe fire and was extremely powerful but had no personality. Smaug had great lines in The Hobbit and he was really good in combat as well. Here is the current tally: Smaug: 13 Glaurung: 19 1/2 Chrysophylax: 9 Scatha: 2 Ancalagon: 14 (note: Dragon Elf Odin Ragnorock voted half for Smaug and half for Ancalagon, and Luthien_Tinuviel voted half for Glaurung and half for Chrysophylax) Glaurung is still in the lead, but Ancalagon is slowly catching up with Smaug a close third. Chrysophylax is fourth and Scatha is left in the dust. [ August 05, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ] __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

12-19-2003, 08:43 PM	#94
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Up! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Smaug: 13 Glaurung: 19 1/2 Chrysophylax: 9 Scatha: 2 Ancalagon: 14 Cast your vote! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Remember, everybody gets to vote just once.