Do elves stop to age?? - Page 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Amarie of the Vanyar · 06-26-2003, 12:50 PM

This is all we know [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

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At the Gray Havens dwelt Círdan the Shipwright, and some say he dwells there still, until the Last Ship sets sail into the West.
Appendix A, LotR

Gorthol · 06-26-2003, 04:46 PM

Meneltarmacil: Círdan seems to be around 11,400 years old (if he awoke at Cuiviénen). Galadriel 8,280 years roughly. Galadriel is older than the sun and the moon. She does show signs:

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but no sign of age was upon them, unless it were in the depths of their eyes; for these were keen as lances in the starlight, and yet profund, the wells of deep memory

Helkahothion: He could possible have "seen it" through the palantíri at Emyn Beraid, as it looked only west over the sea. I believe he did leave Middle-earth and got to Valinor, but *when* is hard to say, maybe with the last people in the fellowship? Gimli and Legolas. An excellent page about Cirdan: http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/...ers/Cirdan.htm

Finwe · 06-26-2003, 06:49 PM

Well, if Elladan and Elrohir eventually went West, then they probably went with Cirdan, since I think they were pretty much the last Elves in Middle-earth, who wanted, or would want, to sail to Aman.

To Legolas: I'm sure that Ingwë, Olwë, and Finarfin were all in their third stage, but they probably might not have wanted to grow a beard. I guess Cirdan didn't mind growing a beard, since he was probably too busy with his ship matters. It's probably just a matter of choice, like it is with humans. Although, it does make me wonder sometimes, was there an entire industry devoted to making gold-decorated, jewel-studded razor blades?

Helkahothion · 06-27-2003, 04:46 AM

Thanks for the page. It all makes sence now. Cirdan did see Aman. He went with Sam. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Sam must have felt honored.

Abedithon le,

Anuion

Amarie of the Vanyar · 06-27-2003, 12:42 PM

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Círdan seems to be around 11,400 years old (if he awoke at Cuiviénen). Galadriel 8,280 years roughly

Apart from age (which I agree is important), there is also another difference between Galadriel and Círdan that has to be considered: Galadriel lived in Aman, where aging is slower for elves, for about 1,700 years, while Círdan has always lived in Middle Earth, where changes and aging are faster. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Finwe · 06-27-2003, 12:48 PM

That's true. I always thought also that Elven women age slower than men. Perhaps it's just that Aman/Middle-earth difference.

Morgul Queen · 11-29-2003, 02:46 AM

Don't cares and woes age Elves as well, e.g. Gwindor, so maybe it's not actual age that causes physical....aging. I mean, my Grandfather is a sailor, and believe me, it's a stressful job, so maybe that is why Cirdan's hroa is more aged than most other Elves.

You know, Elven razors....really weird mental image coming on here...the one razor of Doom *sighs* I blame MYOCSWP for that. Sorry all.

Eol Telemnar · 12-12-2003, 07:34 AM

I think they age to maturity, then stop. They never age after that.

Eol Telemnar · 12-13-2003, 08:32 AM

(I know I'm inturupting conversation, but I'm going back to the original question, don't get mad)
Yes, elves do stop to age,they age to maturity, then stop.

Eol Telemnar · 12-13-2003, 08:34 AM

DARN it! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]!!!!!!! I did it again! forgive me for the double-post. They don't have the same wording, but are exactly the same!!!! Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 12-16-2003, 09:51 AM

You know you could have simply edited your post to say that, Eol Telemnar.

My personal opinion is that elves stop aging when they want to, so Arwen wanted to be young, and elrond wanted to be middle aged.

Do you think htis qualifies as a dead topic.

Olorin_TLA · 01-01-2004, 10:03 PM

No, they keep ageing. They can't stop time...if they could stop ageing, they'd never Fade, and they wouldn't have needed the 3 Rings either! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 01-02-2004, 12:11 PM

True, but isn't fading different then aging? O always thought it was.

06-26-2003, 06:49 PM	#43
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Well, if Elladan and Elrohir eventually went West, then they probably went with Cirdan, since I think they were pretty much the last Elves in Middle-earth, who wanted, or would want, to sail to Aman. To Legolas: I'm sure that Ingwë, Olwë, and Finarfin were all in their third stage, but they probably might not have wanted to grow a beard. I guess Cirdan didn't mind growing a beard, since he was probably too busy with his ship matters. It's probably just a matter of choice, like it is with humans. Although, it does make me wonder sometimes, was there an entire industry devoted to making gold-decorated, jewel-studded razor blades? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

06-27-2003, 12:48 PM	#46
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	That's true. I always thought also that Elven women age slower than men. Perhaps it's just that Aman/Middle-earth difference. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-29-2003, 02:46 AM	#47
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	Don't cares and woes age Elves as well, e.g. Gwindor, so maybe it's not actual age that causes physical....aging. I mean, my Grandfather is a sailor, and believe me, it's a stressful job, so maybe that is why Cirdan's hroa is more aged than most other Elves. You know, Elven razors....really weird mental image coming on here...the one razor of Doom sighs I blame MYOCSWP for that. Sorry all. __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

12-12-2003, 07:34 AM	#48
Eol Telemnar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At my house, on my computer (where else would I be? Posts: 89	I think they age to maturity, then stop. They never age after that. __________________ Eol Telemnar, The Dark Elf , Has Spoken, Heed My words well. Peace go with you.

12-13-2003, 08:32 AM	#49
Eol Telemnar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At my house, on my computer (where else would I be? Posts: 89	(I know I'm inturupting conversation, but I'm going back to the original question, don't get mad) Yes, elves do stop to age,they age to maturity, then stop. __________________ Eol Telemnar, The Dark Elf , Has Spoken, Heed My words well. Peace go with you.

06-27-2003, 04:46 AM	#44
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,100	Thanks for the page. It all makes sence now. Cirdan did see Aman. He went with Sam. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Sam must have felt honored. Abedithon le, Anuion

12-13-2003, 08:34 AM	#50
Eol Telemnar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At my house, on my computer (where else would I be? Posts: 89	DARN it! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]!!!!!!! I did it again! forgive me for the double-post. They don't have the same wording, but are exactly the same!!!! Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ Eol Telemnar, The Dark Elf , Has Spoken, Heed My words well. Peace go with you.

12-16-2003, 09:51 AM	#51
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	You know you could have simply edited your post to say that, Eol Telemnar. My personal opinion is that elves stop aging when they want to, so Arwen wanted to be young, and elrond wanted to be middle aged. Do you think htis qualifies as a dead topic. __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!

01-01-2004, 10:03 PM	#52
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	No, they keep ageing. They can't stop time...if they could stop ageing, they'd never Fade, and they wouldn't have needed the 3 Rings either! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

01-02-2004, 12:11 PM	#53
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	True, but isn't fading different then aging? O always thought it was. __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!