Must They Screech??? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Arathiriel · 12-20-2002, 07:46 PM

Is anyone else as sick of the Ringwraiths' screeching as I am?Okay the screeching scared me the first time and maybe the second time I watched FOTR but by the time I got to see TTT I was flat out annoyed with that blasted screeching!*AHEM*Other than that I thought the winged creatures they were riding were cool! [ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: Arathiriel ]

Rose Cotton · 12-20-2002, 07:50 PM

Just remember that you have watched the Fellowship over and over again. If you had just went right from the Fellowship to the Two Towers you wouldn't be tired of the screeching.And after just seeing the animated Return of the King I'm very greatfull for PJ's version of these books.

-Imrahil- · 12-20-2002, 07:52 PM

True.

The Silver-shod Muse · 12-21-2002, 05:11 PM

When I heard it in the Dead Marshes, I didn't even recognize it at first. It just sounded like an injured orc to me. The Nazgul screeches are definitely weaker this time around.

Nurumaiel · 12-21-2002, 06:28 PM

I just had to say: maybe Fran Walsh wasn't sick anymore. EDIT- I forgot to say: I think the Nazgul screams are cool and creepy no matter how many times I hear them. ~Nurumaiel[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Nurumaiel ]

Diamond18 · 12-21-2002, 08:58 PM

I love the Nazgûl shrieks. If they were a little "weaker" this time around its because they were airborn instead of at ground level. They're bound to be quieter with the atmosphere swallowing the sound up.

-Imrahil- · 12-21-2002, 10:39 PM

I liked the Nazghul shrieks as usual. I didn't especially like the winged Nazghul owing to the fact that they did not look believable while flying. Whenever they showed a shot of the Nazghul in the air, the background just looked plain fake. That's my only complaint. And no I don't blame PJ or anyone for this, its not in their control.[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: -Imrahil- ]

Iarwain · 12-21-2002, 10:44 PM

The only problem I had with the Nazgul in TTT was that the one over the Dead Marshes flew too low, and swooped too much.

Rose Cotton · 12-22-2002, 08:26 AM

I thought it was pritty cool that for those who have not read the book for a minute it looked like the Black Riders were on their horses. Those...whatever they are were ausome. I think PJ or whoever designed them did a fantastic job.

Rosseiliantiel · 12-22-2002, 10:06 AM

Do you know what I'm sick of? Fangirl shrieks. But that's not the point. I love the Nazgul shrieks, but I would also love a pet kraken, so...yeah.I love the way they did the flying Nazgul (i.e. not making them into proper dragons)

the mortal elf · 12-22-2002, 12:10 PM

That's what most of my family thought too, but I didn't notice a difference. Maybe because I'm trying very hard to be positive about TTT. I didn't really like their "fell beasts" though. I thought they should have bigger heads. They looked like herbivores, for crying out loud

Rose Cotton · 12-22-2002, 12:18 PM

Ya, well just hold your judgement on those flying things until one of them is attacking Theoden.

The Silver-shod Muse · 12-24-2002, 01:34 AM

I just want to see Eowyn decapitate one of those "fell beasts". <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If they were a little "weaker" this time around its because they were airborn instead of at ground level. They're bound to be quieter with the atmosphere swallowing the sound up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But the camera pans around with the Nazgul. When it comes nearer, the shriek ought to be louder. Loudness aside, I thought the sheer force of the sound was a bit less impressive this time. Treebeard's call was amazing in its volume and intensity, but the Nazguls' didn't even come close. Now that I've seen the movie again, I noticed that there is a ringing pitch to the call when they're in the Dead Marshes, but it isn't something you notice at first.

GreyIstar · 12-24-2002, 02:05 AM

I liked the way the fell beasts where designed. They had only hind legs and wings. A common mistake when making dragons or dragon like creatures is giving them 4 legs and wings.I like the shreeks. That ringing you heard I believe was the ring calling them. Pretty sweet if you ask me.

LePetitChoux · 12-24-2002, 05:51 AM

I didn't like that stupid Nazgûl who was what? 2 metres away from Frodo and the ring and didn't even reach out to grab him... But apart from that, I love them! Especially the music that accompanies them as they ride our=t of Minas Morgul (or is it the Black Gate? I'm sure it was Minas Morgul)

PippinSqueak · 12-24-2002, 11:22 AM

It is slightly annoying, but i think Peter Jackson is using their screeching to get the point across that they are evil.

Elven Mistress · 12-24-2002, 11:28 AM

hehe, i saw the movie twice and didn't hear the screeching either times! i must be going deaf or something <sigh>My friend (who i went to see it with the second time) got all excited when the fell beasts came on. She started screeching "Dragons! Dragons!" I told her they weren't dragons, but she's adament about it <sigh> Thank God she's finally reading The Hobbit then she's going to read the trilogy...

GreyIstar · 12-24-2002, 02:53 PM

The reason the Nazgul didn't go after the ring quickly is because that whole scene was in slow mo. Did you see how slow the fricken wings were flapping?? If that was sped up to its original spead I think there would be a lot less complaints on that point. PJ used maybe a little too much slow mo.

Hawkeye · 12-24-2002, 03:50 PM

I was kind of happy that the screeches weren't as loud in TTT. They really started to annoy me in FOTR after about the 5th time... I'm still not quite sure what i think about the fell beasts yet. I don't know, i guess i kind of pictured them a little bit closer to birds. But that's probably just me. But i must say, i think that all around PJ did an excellent job with the ringwraiths. (especially in FOTR) they're great!

The Silver-shod Muse · 12-25-2002, 08:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Thank God she's finally reading The Hobbit <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's a difficult stage. I have a friend that's quit twice on the Hobbit, but both times I've talked her into trying it again. I seriously doubt I'll ever get her to LotR proper. It's terrible when you can't get someone to do something for their own good.

Nenya · 12-26-2002, 06:13 PM

This is what I love about fan-sites,and The Downs especially: we here can make a meaningful conversation out of loudness of the noises made by a certain monster species!! And no-one will say "shut up, I couldn't care less". I love you all, my fellow geeks. [ December 26, 2002: Message edited by: Nenya ]

12-30-2002, 08:48 PM

Nazgul were OK - maybe in places they were "not even supposed to be here today", but what i did not like were orks and uruks just arrrhhhhg and uhhhhrrrg all the time, like .... They should have been shown more intelligent, kwim?

doug*platypus · 01-01-2003, 07:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Whenever they showed a shot of the Nazghul in the air, the background just looked plain fake. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeh, pretty true there Imrahil, at least for the close up pics. Especially the first time we see him. But I think that was supposed to be PJs way of saying to people who haven't read the books: "Okay, look, this is a Black Rider. You remember them, right? Now, we're gonna zoom out a little bit, but be prepared for a bit of a shock. Here, I'll hold your hand..."It's awful, though, seeing a movie and thinking to yourself, okay that guy's not really there, that guy is just another guy in a blue suit, those guys aren't really there, they're just in front of a blue screen... all the magic is gone.What? Eh? Shriek? Oh... What? Uh, yeah they were much wussier this time round - in direct contradiction to what the books say!!! Groan! I think in general the Nazgul look even more impotent (teehee!) than in FOTR. I mean, the guy was hovering right there! Do something! Bite Frodo's head off, or something! It's funny how the Fell Beasts looked so dragon-like, cos in all the illustrations I've seen they look just like that, only they're not as dragony. I always pictured them as souped-up Pteranadons - I would've liked to see that bony head bit that Pteranodons had.

12-20-2002, 07:46 PM	#1
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	Must They Screech??? Is anyone else as sick of the Ringwraiths' screeching as I am?<P>Okay the screeching scared me the first time and maybe the second time I watched FOTR but by the time I got to see TTT I was flat out annoyed with that blasted screeching!<P>AHEM<P>Other than that I thought the winged creatures they were riding were cool! <p>[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: Arathiriel ] __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

12-20-2002, 07:50 PM	#2
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	Just remember that you have watched the Fellowship over and over again. <P>If you had just went right from the Fellowship to the Two Towers you wouldn't be tired of the screeching.<P>And after just seeing the animated Return of the King I'm very greatfull for PJ's version of these books. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

12-20-2002, 07:52 PM	#3
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	True. __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-21-2002, 05:11 PM	#4
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	When I heard it in the Dead Marshes, I didn't even recognize it at first. It just sounded like an injured orc to me. The Nazgul screeches are definitely weaker this time around. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

12-21-2002, 06:28 PM	#5
Nurumaiel Vice of Twilight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on a mountain Posts: 1,139	I just had to say: maybe Fran Walsh wasn't sick anymore. <P>EDIT- I forgot to say: I think the Nazgul screams are cool and creepy no matter how many times I hear them. <P>~Nurumaiel<p>[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Nurumaiel ] __________________ In the fury of the moment I can see the Master's hand in every leaf that trembles, in every grain of sand.

12-21-2002, 08:58 PM	#6
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,561	I love the Nazgûl shrieks. If they were a little "weaker" this time around its because they were airborn instead of at ground level. They're bound to be quieter with the atmosphere swallowing the sound up. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-21-2002, 10:39 PM	#7
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	I liked the Nazghul shrieks as usual. I didn't especially like the winged Nazghul owing to the fact that they did not look believable while flying. Whenever they showed a shot of the Nazghul in the air, the background just looked plain fake. That's my only complaint. And no I don't blame PJ or anyone for this, its not in their control.<p>[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: -Imrahil- ] __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-21-2002, 10:44 PM	#8
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	The only problem I had with the Nazgul in TTT was that the one over the Dead Marshes flew too low, and swooped too much. __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

12-22-2002, 08:26 AM	#9
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	I thought it was pritty cool that for those who have not read the book for a minute it looked like the Black Riders were on their horses. Those...whatever they are were ausome. I think PJ or whoever designed them did a fantastic job. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

12-22-2002, 10:06 AM	#10
Rosseiliantiel Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hopelessly lost Posts: 178	Do you know what I'm sick of? Fangirl shrieks. But that's not the point. <P>I love the Nazgul shrieks, but I would also love a pet kraken, so...yeah.<P>I love the way they did the flying Nazgul (i.e. not making them into proper dragons) __________________ Whatever floats your oyster.

12-22-2002, 12:10 PM	#11
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	That's what most of my family thought too, but I didn't notice a difference. Maybe because I'm trying very hard to be positive about TTT. I didn't really like their "fell beasts" though. I thought they should have bigger heads. They looked like herbivores, for crying out loud __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-22-2002, 12:18 PM	#12
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	Ya, well just hold your judgement on those flying things until one of them is attacking Theoden. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

12-24-2002, 01:34 AM	#13
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	I just want to see Eowyn decapitate one of those "fell beasts".<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If they were a little "weaker" this time around its because they were airborn instead of at ground level. They're bound to be quieter with the atmosphere swallowing the sound up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But the camera pans around with the Nazgul. When it comes nearer, the shriek ought to be louder. Loudness aside, I thought the sheer force of the sound was a bit less impressive this time. Treebeard's call was amazing in its volume and intensity, but the Nazguls' didn't even come close. <P>Now that I've seen the movie again, I noticed that there is a ringing pitch to the call when they're in the Dead Marshes, but it isn't something you notice at first. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

12-24-2002, 02:05 AM	#14
GreyIstar Wight Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 116	I liked the way the fell beasts where designed. They had only hind legs and wings. A common mistake when making dragons or dragon like creatures is giving them 4 legs and wings.<P>I like the shreeks. That ringing you heard I believe was the ring calling them. Pretty sweet if you ask me. __________________ Keeper of the site Ring Lord. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."

12-24-2002, 05:51 AM	#15
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 721	I didn't like that stupid Nazgûl who was what? 2 metres away from Frodo <I>and the ring</I> and didn't even reach out to grab him... But apart from that, I love them! Especially the music that accompanies them as they ride our=t of Minas Morgul (or is it the Black Gate? I'm sure it was Minas Morgul) __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

12-24-2002, 11:22 AM	#16
PippinSqueak Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Edoras Posts: 25	It is slightly annoying, but i think Peter Jackson is using their screeching to get the point across that they are evil. __________________ "What are tatters?" "Po-ta-to"

12-24-2002, 11:28 AM	#17
Elven Mistress Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 135	hehe, i saw the movie twice and didn't hear the screeching either times! i must be going deaf or something <sigh><P>My friend (who i went to see it with the second time) got all excited when the fell beasts came on. She started screeching "Dragons! Dragons!" I told her they weren't dragons, but she's adament about it <sigh> Thank God she's finally reading The Hobbit then she's going to read the trilogy... __________________ And i know/ It's only in my mind/ That i'm talking to myself/ And not to him!

12-24-2002, 02:53 PM	#18
GreyIstar Wight Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 116	The reason the Nazgul didn't go after the ring quickly is because that whole scene was in slow mo. Did you see how slow the fricken wings were flapping?? If that was sped up to its original spead I think there would be a lot less complaints on that point. PJ used maybe a little too much slow mo. __________________ Keeper of the site Ring Lord. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."

12-24-2002, 03:50 PM	#19
Hawkeye Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 20	I was kind of happy that the screeches weren't as loud in TTT. They really started to annoy me in FOTR after about the 5th time...<BR>I'm still not quite sure what i think about the fell beasts yet. I don't know, i guess i kind of pictured them a little bit closer to birds. But that's probably just me. <BR>But i must say, i think that all around PJ did an excellent job with the ringwraiths. (especially in FOTR) they're great! __________________ You need people of INTELLIGENCE on this sort of mission...quest...thing!

12-25-2002, 08:51 PM	#20
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Thank God she's finally reading The Hobbit <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's a difficult stage. I have a friend that's quit twice on the Hobbit, but both times I've talked her into trying it again. I seriously doubt I'll ever get her to LotR proper. It's terrible when you can't get someone to do something for their own good. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

12-26-2002, 06:13 PM	#21
Nenya Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the hand of Lady Galadriel Posts: 127	This is what I love about fan-sites,and The Downs especially: we here can make a meaningful conversation out of loudness of the noises made by a certain monster species!! And no-one will say "shut up, I couldn't care less". I love you all, my fellow geeks. <p>[ December 26, 2002: Message edited by: Nenya ]

12-30-2002, 08:48 PM	#22
nazzty Guest Posts: n/a	Nazgul were OK - maybe in places they were "not even supposed to be here today", <BR>but what i did not like were orks and uruks just arrrhhhhg and uhhhhrrrg all the time, like ....<BR>They should have been shown more intelligent, kwim?

01-01-2003, 07:28 AM	#23
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 963	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Whenever they showed a shot of the Nazghul in the air, the background just looked plain fake. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeh, pretty true there Imrahil, at least for the close up pics. Especially the first time we see him. But I think that was supposed to be PJs way of saying to people who haven't read the books: <P> "Okay, look, this is a Black Rider. You remember them, right? Now, we're gonna zoom out a little bit, but be prepared for a bit of a shock. Here, I'll hold your hand..."<P>It's awful, though, seeing a movie and thinking to yourself, okay that guy's not really there, that guy is just another guy in a blue suit, those guys aren't really there, they're just in front of a blue screen... all the magic is gone.<P>What? Eh? Shriek? Oh... What? Uh, yeah they were much wussier this time round - <B>in direct contradiction to what the books say!!!</B> Groan! I think in general the Nazgul look even more impotent (teehee!) than in FOTR. I mean, the guy was hovering right there! Do something! Bite Frodo's head off, or something! <P>It's funny how the Fell Beasts looked so dragon-like, cos in all the illustrations I've seen they look just like that, only they're not as dragony. I always pictured them as souped-up Pteranadons - I would've liked to see that bony head bit that Pteranodons had. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.