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Old 08-27-2003, 04:56 PM   #1
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White-Hand 6 Degrees of Separation (cont)

Since the previous thread was closed as a result of its length, I have opened this new one so that the game may continue.

The rules (originally devised by none other than the Barrow-Wight himself) are as follows:

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Two names are given. You must trace a connection from the first name, through various other names, to the second name. When tracing from one name to another there must have been interaction or implied interaction in the novels between the two charcters. Also, a link can me made between names if the two characters are immediately related to each other (child, parent, spouse).

Example 1:
Frodo -- Grishnakh
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Grishnakh
direct interection in all links

Example 2:
Frodo -- Mauhur
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Ugluk --- Mauhur
direct -- dirrect -- direct -- indirect

Example 3:
Legolas -- Bard
The answer would be:
Legolas -- Thranduil -- Bard
related -- direct intereaction

Remember... to trace from a name to a name they must have interacted, most likely interacted, or be related to each other.

NOTE: There may be more than one answer. When creating a puzzle, try to make it so there is only one way to trace between the two names. This will be tricky.

ANOTHER NOTE: Someone like Eru is not a valid link unless we are linking Valar or something. And then Eru wouldn't be necessary since the Valar all knew each other well.

YET ANOTHER NOTE: Ask for a maximum number of links to trace the difference between two characters. For instance, in the Frodo to Mauhur example you would have to figure it out using no more than 3 links.

Extra Note: Try not to use Gandalf, Saruman or Sauron if it can be helped. These people have a link to just about everybody.
So, without further ado, may I call upon Gwaihir the Windlord (who successfully solved the last question on the previous thread) to start us off.
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Old 08-29-2003, 01:24 AM   #2
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A fairly easy one; but this time, as a reversal of the last question, I would ask you only to use mortals (apart from the two names given...)

Galadriel -> Landroval
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Galadriel-> Gwaihir-> Landroval
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Old 08-30-2003, 12:55 AM   #4
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[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I'm not counting Eagles as mortals, which they probably aren't. Sorry, try again...
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Galadriel -> Gandalf -> Gwahir -> Landroval

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Galadriel -> Frodo/Sam -> Landroval
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Old 09-01-2003, 02:34 AM   #6
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Well, you're not allowed to use Gandalf; but the second one is of course correct. Go ahead.
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Old 09-02-2003, 12:18 AM   #7
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Fëanor -> Halbarad (the Dúnedan)
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Fëanor - Galadriel - Gimli - Halbarad
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Old 09-02-2003, 09:26 PM   #9
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That is correct, but not exactly how I had in mind [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

I had Fëanor -> Galadriel -> Aragorn -> Halbarad
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Old 11-25-2003, 05:37 PM   #10
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Old 11-25-2003, 06:10 PM   #11
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Finwe ---> Samwise

... Please dont use any elves... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 11-25-2003, 06:17 PM   #12
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Finwë -> Oromë -> Irmo -> Olórin -> Samwise

Or does the "don't use Gandalf" rule kick in here?

If we're not allowed to use elves, then I think we have to go to an Ainu from Finwë.

Perhaps: Finwë -> Ulmo -> Tuor -> Eärendil -> Elrond -> Samwise
I'm not sure if Eärendil and Elrond count as elves or not.
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Or how about:

Finwë -> Ulmo -> Samwise

... since the stream that Frodo and Sam find in Mordor is, I believe, said to have been sent by Ulmo. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 11-25-2003, 06:27 PM   #14
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Is there actually any reference to Finwe meeting either Orome or Ulmo? I can't remember?

Mine looked simpler: Finwe - Melkor - Sauron - Witchking - Merry/frodo - Samwise

or the Palantir solution:
Finwe - Melkor - Sauron - Saruman/Pippin/Aragorn - Samwise
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You're both quick... Laurenendorian gets it! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]


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... since the stream that Frodo and Sam find in Mordor is, I believe, said to have been sent by Ulmo.
I never heard that - interesting Saucepans - still thats a little far off for contact, don't you think [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

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Finwë certainly met Oromë, since he led the hosts to Valinor.

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Link Fíriel to the other Fíriel. I think I can do it in 5.
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Fíriel-> Sam-> Glorfindel(or Elrond)-> Malbeth-> Arvedui-> Fíriel

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Dairuin-> Hamfast

No Sauron or Gandalf.
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Dairuin-> Beren-> Melian-> Galadriel-> Frodo-> Hamfast

Dairuin-> Beren-> Celegorm -> Elrond-> Frodo-> Hamfast

The latter is the coolest as it dont use any Maiar [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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The first one was the closest, but you were right in the fact that there are no Maiar involved. Try again!
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Lindo - am I wrong because you can do it in 5 or 4 ?
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No, you know what, I'll just give it to ya. Your's were fine anyway. No reason for me to put all sorts of limitations on it. Go ahead!
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Ibun ---> Inzilbêth
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Ibun -> X -> X -> X -> X -> X -> Inzilbêth

With a little good will it can be done like that ... is that 5 or 7 degrees ???

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Ibun-> Tùrin-> Glaurung-> Sauron-> Ar-Pharazôn-> Ar-Gimilzôr-> Inzilbêth

I have always considered the "->" to be one degree of separation. This one is six degrees, seven people.
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Nice work - you can go on...

on a sidenote: what do you think is the likelyhood that Pharazon and Inzilbêth met? Her being the grandmother of Tar-Miriel... We can asume that Pharazon was older than her and of close famely to Inzilbeth - som maybe you could cut Gimilzôr out?

Secondly we can only asume that Glaurung and sauron met... right?
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True, I didn't think of that... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Zamin-> Estelmo
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Zamin-> Aldarion -> Gil-galad -> (Elendil) -> Estelmo

We can assume that Estelmo being the esquire of the eldest son of Isildur and having joined in the battle against Sauron would have met Gil-galad. Therefore we might be able to leave out Elendil.
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Very good Telchar!
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Lotho ---> Thranduil

NO Hobbits!
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Lotho-> Ruffian*-> Squint-eyed Southerner**-> Lord of the Nazgûl-> (Nazgûl shot down over Sarn Gebir)-> Legolas-> Thranduil

*who called Frodo a "cockawhoop"
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Sorry, but no! Ruffians and Nazgul are both mannish in orgin. Try again.

It can actually be done with one regular human and one regular elf.
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Lotho-> Wormtongue-> Legolas -> Thranduil

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Precisely Saucepans - my elf was Celeborn, but I forgot to put a restriction angainst 'direct family' - you can continue!
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Cheers Telch. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Sheesh! It's getting hard to think these up. So here's a fairly easy one.

Glaurung -> Ancalagon

Assuming that Glaurung and Ancalagon were not themselves acquainted. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

And no Elves or Ainur.
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Is it as simple as:

Glaurung -> Turin -> Tuor -> Earendil -> Ancalagon ?
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No. Turin and Tuor never met, and are not immediately related in the sense required by the rules.
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Actually Túrin and Tuor did meet at the ruin of Ivrin:
"Thus only for a moment, and never again, did the paths of those kinsmen, Túrin and Tuor, draw together."

And just in case that doesn't make Telchar's answer legit, I have one of my own.

Glaurung-> Mablung-> Fingolfin-> Thorondor-> Ancalagon

Mablung was at the Mereth Aderthad with Fingolfin and Thorondor carried Fingolfin's body away from the duel at the Gates of Angband.
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Glaurung-> Turin-> Hurin-> Thorondor-> Ancalagon

really long :

Glaurung-> Turin-> Hurin-> Huor -> Tuor -> Earendil -> Ancalagon
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