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Old 12-19-2000, 08:06 PM   #1
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Greetings good people of The Downs, I, as in my previous questions of this type, want to know your opinion. But my last one didn't seemed to be altogether understood so I'll explain this one better.

Of all the offical &quot;Good guy's&quot; which one do you hate/dislike the most? And why? I think that pretty strait forward the rest is (hopefully) up to your good graces.

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Old 12-19-2000, 10:33 PM   #2
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Re: Which good guy (girl) do you least like?

If Feanor is classified as a good guy, I don't like him. He was not only far too obsessed with his Silmarils, but also spoke against the good judgement of the Valar and was responsible for the Kinslaying at Alqualonde.

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Old 12-19-2000, 10:35 PM   #3
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If Feanor is classified as a good guy -- at least he fought against Morgoth -- I don't like him. He was not only far too obsessed with his Silmarils, but also spoke against the good judgement of the Valar and was responsible for the Kinslaying at Alqualonde. He also deserted his kin, the host under Fingolfin, at Araman out of spite and forced them to cross using the Helcaraxe, Grinding Ice.

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Old 12-19-2000, 11:41 PM   #4
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Re: Which good guy (girl) do you least like?

I've never really cared much for Thingol. Of course he's the father of Luthien and has seen the light of the Trees,but he just always seemed a bit too proud,especially in his dealings with Men and Dwarves. And he also refused to help the Edain and the Eldar against Morgoth. Melian seems somewhat self-righteous too,but that's another post.

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Old 12-20-2000, 09:53 AM   #5
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I never liked Celeborn. For some reason I thought him very simple and vain. <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">


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Old 12-20-2000, 09:46 PM   #6
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Re: Which good guy (girl) do you least like?

I agree about Thingol...much too self-absorbed.

And good ol' Tom Bombadil gets on my nerves terribly...he just poses so many problems, and acts really ridiculous in the process.

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Old 12-21-2000, 02:50 AM   #7
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I quite agree about Celeborn. I found him rather boring actually.

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Thingol!!
I don't really know why, I just dislike him. I guess it's because how he reacted to the love
of Beren and Luthien.
Also Bombadil he's annoying. <img src=wink.gif ALT="">

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I guess Thingol is just one of those guys that you can't ever seem to like. I was thinking it was just me but i guess not. I think it was that whole Silmarill incident that really turned me off of him.

But I hate Maeglin even more than Elwe. He seems even worse than Eol to me. He spurned his dad. He liked his own cousin(growse). He didn't like Tuor(one of my favorite people). And he betrayed the people of Gondolin.

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Old 12-22-2000, 03:29 AM   #10
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I never liked Boromir either though it's rather debatable whether he was a good guy at all. I rather think he was. He certainly wasn't evil.

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Old 12-22-2000, 07:18 PM   #11
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Really?

Really? I've always felt rather sorry for Boromir. He had so much potential, he just couldn't handle the lure of the Ring. He could have been such a help at the Last Battle. Considering how many orcs he killed at Amon Hen and to save the younger hobbits too, of whom he seem to dislike so. But then I've always been a sucker for guys like that. Dose anyone else feel this way?

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Yeah, Boromir was a fine fellow. Just too weak willed when it came to the lure of the Ring. But only the noblest can pass that test anyway. Even Frodo succumbed in the end, remember?

Denethor is definitely at the bottom of my list. What a jerk. <img src=tongue.gif ALT=":b">

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Denethor wasn't really a bad guy. Fallen pride and the palantir finally led him to what he became. He was convinced that the Shadow would succeed remember?

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Yes, I remember, or I wouldn't have chosen him. The topic is your least favorite GOOD guy. My least favorite GOOD guy is Denethor. <img src=indifferent.gif ALT=":/">

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I don't see why you guys don't like Thingol. He might have been proud, yes, but he still was very cool too.

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Out of all the good guys in Middle-earth, of which there seem to be plenty, or something for everyone as you might say (in fact I feel rather spoilt for choice), the most annoying to my mind has to be Galadriel, who is quite obviously used to having everything her own way. She didn't even bat an eyelid when the Dark Lord was defeated. Honestly, some people take things so much for granted it's untrue....

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I didn't even realize the exact topic of conversation. Would Maeglin really fit into the &quot;Good Guys&quot; column then? And it is not that I don't like Thingol, i just find him, well, arrogant.


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Galadriel WAS quite mysterious....
But I liked her the better for, and Tom Bombadil is just irritating. But I am grateful to him for saving the hobbits' lives. The quest wouldn't have gone far without him <img src=smile.gif ALT="">

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Thingol was quite a lucky fellow, being the first Teler that saw the Trees and having married a beautiful wood-Maia. This might have made him think he was the High-King of the world, and it probably also made him very proud. So, I also feel kinda sorry for him, just as Boromir. Still, I least like ....





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denethor is my choice for least favorite as well. he really should have shown a little more backbone in the face of what he believed to be an overwelming obstacle and his own death. he was tricked by sauron but he should have seen that coming too.

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mine least favorite is Celeborn but simply becuase it seems that while tolkein was writing that he forgot him and concentrated on Galadreil. I dont think that he was a lack of character it simply was that he played to small a role.


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The brilliance and greatness of Galadriel just made Celeborn seem like a total loser.

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Sam. He was rather not nice to Smeagol.

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Feanor if you can really call him a good guy. Or Celeborn.


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Hmmm...Feanor was way too proud of himself and his jewels...Celeborn, I agree, was mighty and good in his own right, it says so in FotR, something like &quot;he was one of the wisest yada yada&quot; but Tolkien DID concentrate too much on Galadriel - how beautiful she was, how she held the ring, how she blessed everyone, it annoyed me. Bombadil is too happy. Denethor was mislead, that was his problem...Boromir was tempted too greatly by the ring, that was his fault. Hmmm.

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Sam?!? How is possible to dislike Sam? He was only doing it to protect his master.

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Old 12-26-2000, 06:17 PM   #30
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Yeah, but Smeagol deserved a fair go.

I personally can't see how anyone could not like Tom Bombadil. You all seem to equate him being happy all the time to him not caring about the rest of the world, or him being stupid or something. Just because he didn't get all fussed about the ring doesn't mean he's bad. He lived his life his own way without worrying about the same things other people worried about.

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Bombadil just gets on your nerves. He does care about Middle Earth, but he is restricted to his own domain, and therefore does little outside it. But he's so damn annoying! Sure, he's great and &quot;oldest and fatherless&quot; as the elves call him but all he does is bloody SING! ARGH!

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What's wrong with singing?

I don't see what's so annoying about not being solemn and serious.

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It must be Elrond, I think he does not carry his weight in the LOTR. He could have done much more good and certainly could have send some of his elfes to follow the company at least until the Moria.

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Uh-oh....

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Now you've gone TOO FAR!

Ok, nobody...I repeat, NOBODY picks on Elrond!!! Got it, bub!?!? And if I see my noble elves referred to as 'elfies' again, I may blow my stack...!!!! <img src=mad.gif ALT=">:">

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:runs and hides from the wrath of Red:

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I think I detect an unhealthy Elrond fetish here! <img src=ohwell.gif ALT=":/">

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Someone's got a crush. Red and Elrond sitting in a tree...

But I thought that it wasn't Elrond, wasn't it someone else?

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Aaaaaargh! I thought we agreed not to drag homosexuality into anything to do with Tolkien. Anyway, it is kinda funny...

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Since red is a female, we've not strayed into that territory, Lorien wanderer.

But he's too old for you, red!!!

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