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Gil-Galad · 07-21-2005, 05:43 PM

Glaurang is to Nargothrond as Ancalgon is to _____________

Celebriel Esgaledhel · 07-22-2005, 03:18 PM

Well, Glaurung led an assault upon Nargothrond and Ancalagon was loosed against the Valar near the end of the War of Wrath..

Also, Glaurung destroyed Nargothrond, and Ancalagon destroyed Thangorodrim as he fell from the sky, so my guess would be: Thangorodrim

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-14-2005, 01:35 AM

Gil-galad?

Gil-Galad · 08-14-2005, 12:32 PM

aye that is correct...as far as i remember it...

Beanamir of Gondor · 09-19-2005, 01:22 PM

Calling a thirty-six day limit on Gildor!! =D

In the pathetic spirit of keeping my favorite Quiz Room thread alive,

Saradoc Brandybuck is to Fatty Bolger
as
Denethor is to _______________

Eowyn Wenhamir · 09-29-2005, 09:42 PM

Saradoc's son married Fatty's sister, and Denethor's son married Eomer's sister.

*discoes*

Beanamir of Gondor · 10-13-2005, 09:40 PM

Thank you!
Your turn.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-15-2006, 05:27 AM

______ is to Aragorn

as

Sauron is to Frodo.

Beanamir of Gondor · 03-03-2006, 08:45 PM

I say Denethor, because he feels threatened by Aragorn, just as Sauron feels... threathened by.... Frodo? :-/

Hookbill the Goomba · 03-04-2006, 01:38 AM

Gondor? They are looking for him, (Or rather, any king) just as Sauron is looking for Frodo (or rather, the Ring)...

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-05-2006, 02:49 AM

Both wrong. This angle is a bit unorthodox.

Farael · 03-05-2006, 03:08 AM

Let's go on a limb here... and maybe taking up the hint that it's an unorthodox question.... I Will say that Sauron is to Aragorn as Sauron is to Frodo. To put it simply, Sauron is the main foe of both Aragorn and Frodo, and each of them defeated Sauron in their own way. Either on the battle field or the destruction of the Ring.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-05-2006, 03:20 AM

Not that easy.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-15-2006, 03:23 AM

Think 'material things.'

JennyHallu · 03-15-2006, 08:22 AM

Barahir

Aragorn bears the Ring of Barahir, and Frodo bears the Ring of Sauron.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-15-2006, 08:43 AM

But no. Think 'original owner of material things.'

JennyHallu · 03-15-2006, 08:45 AM

Finrod Felegund?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-15-2006, 08:51 AM

The floor is yours.

JennyHallu · 03-15-2006, 09:22 AM

__________ is to Ëol

as

Aragorn is to Telchar

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-15-2006, 09:40 AM

Tûrin; sword-owners and swordmakers.

JennyHallu · 03-15-2006, 09:45 AM

Actually, the answer I had in mind was Beleg, but I'm going to accept yours, because both Turin's and Aragorn's blades were remade by someone else before they used them (Telchar forged Narsil, which was reforged into Anduril, and Eol forged Anglachel, which was reforged into Gurthang).

By which verbosity I mean "Your thread, Nilp!"

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-15-2006, 10:03 AM

______ is to Samwise

as

Túrin is to Húrin.

Nota bene: I will not accept the correct answer unless accompanied by the correct reason. Caveat.

paavo · 03-15-2006, 11:36 AM

The correct answer is Andwise who is, as Turin is to Hurin, almost a namesake with Samwise. There, there's your reason.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-15-2006, 06:16 PM

That's interesting . . .

But wrong.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-19-2006, 03:48 AM

Think Genetics.

Celuien · 03-28-2006, 06:42 PM

Elanor?

Elanor and Turin are the eldest children of Samwise and Hurin, respectively.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-30-2006, 08:34 PM

Find something closer to Genetics, like recessive genes.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-13-2006, 04:55 AM

Hair colour.

Celuien · 06-13-2006, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Hair colour.

Hmm. Elanor was golden haired. But I thought Turin, Hurin and Morwen were all dark-haired.

The golden hair would be recessive (well, actually, it's more complicated than that

), but the dark hair wouldn't be. Though if we're talking about recessive traits, Turin did have grey eyes, which I guess were more Elven than human, like Elanor's hair was more like the Vanyar than Hobbits...

Just thinking out loud.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-13-2006, 09:42 PM

Húrin is of the line of Hador Lórindol (Goldenhead). He has golden hair. So does his daughter, Níniel.

On the other hand, his wife, Morwen, is of the House of Bëor, which has dark-coloured hair. So does Túrin. So, Túrin did not inherit his father's hair colour.

Elanor was golden-haired, while Sam and Rosie both had dark-coloured hair. So, Elanor did not inherit her father's (and mother's) hair colour.

I've been too nitpicky long enough, so the thread is yours.

Celuien · 06-14-2006, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Húrin is of the line of Hador Lórindol (Goldenhead). He has golden hair. So does his daughter, Níniel.

Learn something new all the time.

Anyway, I wasn't expecting to have the thread, so I don't have a clue just now. I'll add one in a few hours...

Celuien · 06-14-2006, 05:11 PM

Okay, here goes...

The first pair is the opposite of the second pair.

Eärendil (star) : The Elessar
____________ : The Valacirca

I think that works. Have fun!

Celuien · 06-25-2006, 06:42 PM

Hmm. Want a hint?

I guess so:

Hint: The things in each pair are referred to in the text as the same type of symbol, though not necessarily to the same group of people/being. The first pair is the opposite type of symbol as the second pair.

Hopefully, that was both ambiguous enough to maintain the mystery of the clue and non-ambiguous enough to be some help.

Gil-Galad · 06-25-2006, 07:24 PM

well the first pair brought hope while valacrica brought fear...

Menelvagor ??

Celuien · 06-25-2006, 07:28 PM

Good thought, but not what I was looking for.

Hope is the correct connection for the first pair.
Fear isn't the one I was thinking about for the second, though you're very close.

EDIT: I thought of another hint, but I'm going to hold off on it for now. So there.

Celuien · 06-26-2006, 01:23 PM

Hint the second:

Reverse mood for the second set.

Celuien · 06-30-2006, 08:14 AM

And hint the third:

Both pairs contain one article of jewelry and one thing that appears in the sky. Though I switched the order of their appearance in the pairs. The sets are opposites, after all. Or as close to opposite as I could make them.

Probably gave away the answer with that clue.

Mettare · 07-03-2006, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Reverse mood for the second set.

The opposite of hope should be despair. But I wouldn't think that the Valacirce brought despair. Of course, it might have brought despair to the evil side.

Quote:

Both pairs contain one article of jewelry and one thing that appears in the sky. Though I switched the order of their appearance in the pairs. The sets are opposites, after all. Or as close to opposite as I could make them.

OK, I'm going to guess the missing piece of jewelry is the One Ring. Because, as the Valacirca kind of signalled the downfall of Morgoth, the One Ring destroyed Sauron in the end.

Bad guess, I know.

Celuien · 07-03-2006, 02:51 PM

The One Ring is the correct answer!

Quote:

“Seek for the Sword that was broken:
In Imladris it dwells;
There shall be counsels taken
Stronger than Morgul-spells.
There shall be shown a token
That Doom is near at hand,
For Isildur's Bane shall waken,
And the Halfling forth shall stand.”

So the Ring was directly referenced as a token of Doom...at least if that's how you read the poem.

And if you reverse the letters in mood you get...doom.

Clue might have been a bit off. But you got it. Thread is yours.

Mettare · 07-04-2006, 04:55 PM

Eithel Ivrin is to Gwindor

as

________ is to Sam

07-21-2005, 05:43 PM	#401
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Glaurang is to Nargothrond as Ancalgon is to _____________ __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-22-2005, 03:18 PM	#402
Celebriel Esgaledhel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Almaren Posts: 94	Well, Glaurung led an assault upon Nargothrond and Ancalagon was loosed against the Valar near the end of the War of Wrath.. Also, Glaurung destroyed Nargothrond, and Ancalagon destroyed Thangorodrim as he fell from the sky, so my guess would be: Thangorodrim __________________ Virtus, non copia vincint

08-14-2005, 01:35 AM	#403
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	*bump* Gil-galad? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-14-2005, 12:32 PM	#404
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	aye that is correct...as far as i remember it... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

09-19-2005, 01:22 PM	#405
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	Calling a thirty-six day limit on Gildor!! =D In the pathetic spirit of keeping my favorite Quiz Room thread alive, Saradoc Brandybuck is to Fatty Bolger as Denethor is to _______________ __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

09-29-2005, 09:42 PM	#406
Eowyn Wenhamir Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Minas Tirith Posts: 16	Saradoc's son married Fatty's sister, and Denethor's son married Eomer's sister. discoes __________________ "You wish, then," said Faramir, "that our places had been exchanged?" "Yes, I do wish that," said Denethor. "For Boromir was loyal to me, and no wizard's pupil."

10-13-2005, 09:40 PM	#407
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	Thank you! Your turn. __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

02-15-2006, 05:27 AM	#408
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	*snatch* ______ is to Aragorn as Sauron is to Frodo. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-03-2006, 08:45 PM	#409
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	I say Denethor, because he feels threatened by Aragorn, just as Sauron feels... threathened by.... Frodo? :-/ __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

03-04-2006, 01:38 AM	#410
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 6,153	Gondor? They are looking for him, (Or rather, any king) just as Sauron is looking for Frodo (or rather, the Ring)... __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

03-05-2006, 02:49 AM	#411
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Sorry. Both wrong. This angle is a bit unorthodox. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-05-2006, 03:08 AM	#412
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,549	Let's go on a limb here... and maybe taking up the hint that it's an unorthodox question.... I Will say that Sauron is to Aragorn as Sauron is to Frodo. To put it simply, Sauron is the main foe of both Aragorn and Frodo, and each of them defeated Sauron in their own way. Either on the battle field or the destruction of the Ring. __________________ I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

03-05-2006, 03:20 AM	#413
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Try again. Not that easy. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-15-2006, 03:23 AM	#414
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	A clue! Think 'material things.' __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-15-2006, 08:22 AM	#415
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,686	I feel smart, will it last? Barahir Aragorn bears the Ring of Barahir, and Frodo bears the Ring of Sauron. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

03-15-2006, 08:43 AM	#416
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Very close. But no. Think 'original owner of material things.' __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-15-2006, 08:45 AM	#417
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,686	*sigh* Finrod Felegund? __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

03-15-2006, 08:51 AM	#418
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Capital. The floor is yours. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-15-2006, 09:22 AM	#419
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,686	Here goes... __________ is to Ëol as Aragorn is to Telchar __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

03-15-2006, 09:40 AM	#420
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Tûrin; sword-owners and swordmakers. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-15-2006, 09:45 AM	#421
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,686	Actually, the answer I had in mind was Beleg, but I'm going to accept yours, because both Turin's and Aragorn's blades were remade by someone else before they used them (Telchar forged Narsil, which was reforged into Anduril, and Eol forged Anglachel, which was reforged into Gurthang). By which verbosity I mean "Your thread, Nilp!" __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

03-15-2006, 10:03 AM	#422
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	______ is to Samwise as Túrin is to Húrin. Nota bene: I will not accept the correct answer unless accompanied by the correct reason. Caveat. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-15-2006, 11:36 AM	#423
paavo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 447	always such a bully.. :p The correct answer is Andwise who is, as Turin is to Hurin, almost a namesake with Samwise. There, there's your reason. __________________ It seems to me that trying to live without friends is like milking a bear to get cream for your morning coffee. It is a whole lot of trouble, and then not worth much after you get it.

03-15-2006, 06:16 PM	#424
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Oooh. That's interesting . . . But wrong. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-19-2006, 03:48 AM	#425
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	A hint might be in order. Think Genetics. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-28-2006, 06:42 PM	#426
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,795	Elanor? Elanor and Turin are the eldest children of Samwise and Hurin, respectively. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

03-30-2006, 08:34 PM	#427
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Right answer, but wrong reasoning. Find something closer to Genetics, like recessive genes. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-13-2006, 04:55 AM	#428
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	A clue! Hair colour. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-13-2006, 09:42 PM	#430
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	. . . Húrin is of the line of Hador Lórindol (Goldenhead). He has golden hair. So does his daughter, Níniel. On the other hand, his wife, Morwen, is of the House of Bëor, which has dark-coloured hair. So does Túrin. So, Túrin did not inherit his father's hair colour. Elanor was golden-haired, while Sam and Rosie both had dark-coloured hair. So, Elanor did not inherit her father's (and mother's) hair colour. I've been too nitpicky long enough, so the thread is yours. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-14-2006, 05:11 PM	#432
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,795	Okay, here goes... The first pair is the opposite of the second pair. Eärendil (star) : The Elessar ____________ : The Valacirca I think that works. Have fun! __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

06-25-2006, 06:42 PM	#433
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,795	Hmm. Want a hint? I guess so: Hint: The things in each pair are referred to in the text as the same type of symbol, though not necessarily to the same group of people/being. The first pair is the opposite type of symbol as the second pair. Hopefully, that was both ambiguous enough to maintain the mystery of the clue and non-ambiguous enough to be some help. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. Last edited by Celuien; 06-25-2006 at 07:01 PM. Reason: Giving the hint...

06-25-2006, 07:24 PM	#434
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	well the first pair brought hope while valacrica brought fear... Menelvagor ?? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-25-2006, 07:28 PM	#435
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,795	Good thought, but not what I was looking for. Hope is the correct connection for the first pair. Fear isn't the one I was thinking about for the second, though you're very close. EDIT: I thought of another hint, but I'm going to hold off on it for now. So there. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

06-26-2006, 01:23 PM	#436
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,795	Hint the second: Reverse mood for the second set. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

06-30-2006, 08:14 AM	#437
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,795	And hint the third: Both pairs contain one article of jewelry and one thing that appears in the sky. Though I switched the order of their appearance in the pairs. The sets are opposites, after all. Or as close to opposite as I could make them. Probably gave away the answer with that clue. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.