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Old 03-04-2004, 05:56 PM   #161
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Eorl is Eomer's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather!
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Old 03-04-2004, 06:17 PM   #162
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Old 03-04-2004, 08:32 PM   #163
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Hummm...I count Eomer as the 18th generation from Eorl. That would make Eorl the great (times 15) grandpappy of Eomer.

Would you give a hint as to the relationship you are looking for in your answer?
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Old 03-04-2004, 09:14 PM   #164
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Eorl->Brego->Aldor->Frea->Freawine
->Goldwine->Deor->Gram->Helm's sister (Hild?)->Frealaf->Brytta/Leofa->Walda
->Folca->Folcwine->Fengel->Thengel
->Theodwyn->Eomer

That makes Eomer the sixteenth generation after Eorl.
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Old 03-05-2004, 07:13 AM   #165
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Oops, I said Eomer was 18 generations after Eorl. I should have said that 18 generations were represented counting these two.
Eomer was actually 17 generations from Eorl, not 16 as you said.

Since, Eomer is the 17th after Eorl; Eorl would be Eomer's 15xgreat grandfather.
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Old 03-05-2004, 09:53 AM   #166
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hint:Eomer wasnt in Eorl's right line
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Old 03-05-2004, 02:41 PM   #167
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Eomer was a direct descendant of Eorl, just not always through the male line.
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Old 03-05-2004, 02:51 PM   #168
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Old 03-05-2004, 07:34 PM   #169
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Well... when the Second and Third Lines of the Kings of the Mark began, they began with the nephew of the prior king. However, their mothers were sisters of the prior king, daughters of the king before that. So, they were in the direct line descending from Eorl.
Or, do you have different information? Or, are you thinking of something else entirely?
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Old 03-06-2004, 06:45 PM   #170
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Old 03-07-2004, 05:56 PM   #171
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I find it hard to fault symestreem's analysis:

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Eorl->Brego->Aldor->Frea->Freawine
->Goldwine->Deor->Gram->Helm's sister (Hild?)->Frealaf->Brytta/Leofa->Walda
->Folca->Folcwine->Fengel->Thengel
->Theodwyn->Eomer

That makes Eomer the sixteenth generation after Eorl.
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Eomer was a direct descendant of Eorl, just not always through the male line.
Which means that luthien-elvenprincess's original answer is surely correct:

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Eorl would be Eomer's great (x15)-grandpa.
I am not sure where you are going with this one, Nirvana II, but it seems to me that luthien-elvenprincess has it. If you disagree, I think that, in the circumstances, you ought perhaps to explain why.
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Old 03-08-2004, 10:01 AM   #172
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Saucepan Man,my good fellow, she isnt correct one one reason.........Eomer is Eorl's 15x great nephew!not grandson !i will give luthien the go.....
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Old 03-08-2004, 10:55 AM   #173
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Nirvana, you are wrong. Eomer's mother, Theodwyn, was the daughter of king Thengel.
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Old 03-08-2004, 02:47 PM   #174
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Yeah...(victory dance)
I don't mean to belabor the point...but I still count Eomer as the 17th generation after Eorl. (moves gracefully on)

What is Gloredhel to Rian?
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Old 03-08-2004, 03:03 PM   #175
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Gloredhel was Rian's husband's aunt.
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Old 03-08-2004, 07:44 PM   #176
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yes, yes, yes, NightKnight.
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Old 03-09-2004, 08:32 AM   #177
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What was Elw to Elrond, in both ways please!
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Old 03-09-2004, 11:26 AM   #178
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Um ... great great grandfather, and ... great great great uncle?
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Old 03-10-2004, 01:39 AM   #179
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I just realized I thought of the wrong person. *Hits self* That should have been Elladan/Elrohir/Arwen, and not Elrond. *Hits self again* Well, since they are only related in one way, and you got it, I'll give it to you. *Smacks self really hard*
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Old 03-11-2004, 12:44 PM   #180
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Be calm, NightKnight, I'm sure we'll forgive you.
(yeah right...)
Anyway, name Gil-galad's (male) cousin's father's wife's brother's father's half-brother's wife's father.
And I hope you have as much fun working it out as I did making it up. *innocent smile*
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And that would be Mahtan. Tricksy one there.
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Old 03-12-2004, 02:18 PM   #182
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Well done, Nightknight, correct.
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It was actually fun.

So, who was Agarwaen's "stepfather"'s brother's daughter's husband?
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Old 03-13-2004, 08:35 AM   #185
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Maybe something a little bit easier.

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Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather...so um...third cousins? If not, then i'm stickin with Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather!
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They were second cousins.
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Umm, I was looking for second cousins, but that is the same thing as Perky Ent's "Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather!" So whoever posts the next question first can carry on.
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Old 03-13-2004, 10:31 AM   #190
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There were two Dins. If you mean Din I then he is Gimli's great-great-great-uncle. If you mean Din II Ironfoot then they are 3rd cousins once removed.
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Old 03-13-2004, 10:53 AM   #192
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You're right, but only if you tell me what once removed means!
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It has to do with generations. So Glin and Din are third cousins, and Gimli being Glin's son is once removed.
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um...sure! Your turn!
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