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Old 06-18-2007, 02:40 PM   #561
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Indeed, I looked it up. It's Tarlang's neck, so the fella was Tarlang the Giant.

And I may add that especially this was very mean from you, because poor Finduilas (and who knows how many others) may have racked her brain while trying to find the information in any source EXCEPT FOR HoME, about which you explicitely said that it cannot be used as a source... oh well...
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Old 06-18-2007, 02:54 PM   #562
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Old 06-18-2007, 03:48 PM   #563
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Okay, something simple for a change.

Can you name me a hobbit guerilla leader? (and no, I don't want to hear about Merry or Pippin here)

P.S. TM, you have a riddle to post in First Age Trivia about a month
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:25 PM   #564
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OK I really cannot remember, but was Pippin's father Paladin not Thain at the time and leading some sort of resistance with the other Tooks.
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:11 PM   #565
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Old 06-19-2007, 06:23 AM   #566
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Yup, it was the well-known Robin Hood-like figure, Fatty Bolger, who I was looking for. Rune, you are also right about the Tooks, but Fatty was explicitely mentioned in the connection with a "rebel band".

Dark Elf, please continue the thread.
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Name another king besides Gil-Galad and Elendil that died in the War of the Last Alliance.
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What about Oropher?

Or Malgalad (Amdír?).
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What about Oropher?

Or Malgalad (Amdír?).
Either Oropher or Amdir would be acceptable. Please continue.
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Either Oropher or Amdir would be acceptable. Please continue.
Thanks. Good one, btw.

What about this: Who was the only one to realize that there's a real possibility to be caught and eaten, despite the person was not cooked, as some others were?

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Narya Here I am to bitch again. . .

2 things. . .

And don't get me wrong I am not mad about not getting the thread I just want to point something out.

1. you said "a hobbit guerilla leader?" this sugests that there is more than one and therefor several answers. and Guerilla is an independent/irregular armed force. Normaly connected with Guerilla warfare. As far as I can see there is nothing that points towards the rebels being more guerilla like forces than the tooks. . .and I do belive the Thain is also mentioned when Frodo and the gang gets an update on the state of the shire.

It would just please me if you could word you question in a way that there is no doubt that you are thinking of one specifick person.

2. Whatch out that you do not turn every quiz into a "cryptic clues" or "riddle".

anyways I am pussled by this one. . .it of course leads one thoughts to the company of Thorin Oakenshield, but it does not seem to fit.
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1. Sorry, but if you take it as how it's written, then Thain is mentioned separately and it does not necessarily mean he has anything to do with the Tooks who shoot the ruffians. There is said that he didn't like Lotho, and when Lotho send men after him, Tooks started to shoot. But then the Thain is not mentioned to have any connection with that (of course he probably had, but it's not written there).
And mainly, and the most important is, since there were two answers posted here, and the answer I was looking for was Fatty, I could choose, and I chose Fatty.

2. Don't worry, it's not anything like that. It's exactly the same as if I said "Who was the one who realized that Gollum is tracking the Fellowship?" Yup, you are right that this riddle is a little bit nontypical, but it reflects normal statements in the book, nothing cryptic. I.e. you'll find it in the book and say "yes, this is him."
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So the answer would be Gollum?

As he knew that Shelob was living at Cirith Ungol and he was not "cooked" like Frodo was when she poisoned him.
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But Frodo was not cooked. Frodo was poisoned, you yourself said it.

The question is exactly as I wrote it. I now understand what you meant by saying to be careful that the question is not turned into a riddle, if you thought I mean something like that, then you were indeed mistaken.
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See, my first thought was Bilbo, because of the trolls arguing over how best to cook him. However I don't have my copy of The Hobbit with me, and something's making me think "caught and eaten" is more specific... maybe it's one of the dwarves. I'll have to check back.
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Thorin? Wasn't he the last to come up to the group of trolls, and realised the danger?
Not that anyone was actually cooked, though, so I suppose this is wrong...
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i was going to say Bilbo but he has already been said... and now i want to say Bombur because when he got captured by the spiders of Mirkwood he was being constantly poked while the other dwarves were poisoned by the spiders...
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Nah, all your answers are wrong. One hint: what am I saying in the question is absolutely true and is 100% according to the book. And it is no metaphore or something like that. Quite the opposite (and that's the main thing on which the riddle is based): I am interpretating the book literally.
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Gandalf, directly before Moria and Beorn's home. The wolves were cooked both times.

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But in that case, Gandalf was not the only one to realize that he and the Dwarves can be caught and eaten. The Dwarves realized it too. And the Wolves (<= note for WW players: see?) were not cooked, they were... well... roasted. So, no.

My question was

Who was the only one to realize that there's a real possibility to be caught and eaten; despite the person was not cooked, as some others were?
The italicised words are important. They are exactly (in different forms or tenses, maybe) in the book.

And it is one book and I won't tell you which one, only I can ensure you that it's not any History of the Middle-Earth or something like that.
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well all of our guesses are from the Hobbit and i jut finished reading it yesterday and i'm raking my brain on it...

also i'm assuming its a person we haven't said yet....

i'm going to pull this out of my hat and say.... Master of Lake-Town? he fled the town when smaug was attacking because he knew that the dragon would deal major damage... and smaug did burn the town thus burning some people
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No, it's not the Master of Lake-Town. You have now the advantage that you read the whole Hobbit now, so you have enough information to decide if the answer can be found in the Hobbit or not.

As I said, you can find these exact words in the book where it is located (about cooking, and about being caught and eaten).
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so it is not any of the following then?

Bilbo
Balin
Gandalf
Gollum
Bombur
Master of Lake-Town
Thorin


that does not leave many characters left... and you better not be making me go through all of the dwarves of the company...

i beleive it was Thror, grandfather of Thorin? or father...
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Okay, I will say it plainly and simply. You are absolutely correct, Gil-Galad, in your thoughts that it does not fit with any person from the Hobbit. Because the person is not from the Hobbit.

So here you have it, now you can start thinking who the heck it is
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you are confounding me... first you say i have an advantage by recently reading the hobbit, now you are saying its not from the hobbit...
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you are confounding me... first you say i have an advantage by recently reading the hobbit, now you are saying its not from the hobbit...
Yup, I meant you have the advantage that you can see for yourself that nothing such as this is in the Hobbit
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I could so easily be wrong...

What about Frodo or Sam, in the Old Forest, when Merry and Pippin were caught in the willow, and they(Frodo and Sam) started a fire, the willow being who was cooked, and ... ? In that case it would be Frodo or Sam, can't remember which, who was the only one on gaurd.
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No. And to give you some hint, the ones who were cooked were quite many.
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Legate, its been two months and nothing on this. Maybe another small hint is in order?
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Whoops... okay.

Just to repeat the question:
Who was the only one to realize that there's a real possibility to be caught and eaten; despite the person was not cooked, as some others were?

This means:

a) there was a certain situation, moment or place in the story.
b) at that certain situation, moment or place, whatever you wish, there were some, let's say, folks. One of them was the one I am asking about. The others were quite many. Some of them, if we trust the info we are given in the book, at the situation, moment or place that I am referring to, are cooked.
c) But our subject was the only one who realized that there is REALLY a possibility that someone will catch and eat them.

Italicised words are exactly in the book, as I quote them, at that situation, moment or place.
Though, there is a trick: you have to think deeply. When I say if we trust the info we are given in the book, it does not necessarily mean that the narrator is the one who is providing the information. It could be a subjective opinion of some character(s). However, if the narrator does not say his opinion on that, technically nothing prevents us from trusting it.

I know it's tricky, and I won't wonder if anyone had the idea to hit me with something hard after learning the answer. But that's for creative thinking.

And it is from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
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In case this is the part you reffer to, I already thought about it some time ago, but since you always said the only one, I thought you meant a single person.
Also I think this doesn't really fit. I mean the Isengarders are the ones who are not cooked, unlike the Northerners. But the Isengarders never realised that they could be caught and eaten, but that the Northerners would be.
So you see, it's very confusing...
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The question was: Who was the only one to realize that there's a real possibility to be caught and eaten; despite the person was not cooked, as some others were?

That was only one person, and the first part is the important one.
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Dunno, maybe Grishnakh?
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Good, it was Grishnákh.

It was all about this moment:

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A cry from Grishnákh showed that this was not mere jest.
So, taking all of it literally: we are told (by the Isengarders) that the mountain-maggots are cooked. Grishnákh is not one of them, so he is not cooked, of course. But he is the one who points out that the horsemen are indeed approaching, which would mean (again, if we trust the Isengarders) that they'll catch them and eat them.

It was a little bit of playing with logic, but here you go Please, take the thread.
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Still doesn't make sense to me.
It would mean in my opinion that someone who was not cooked realised that those who are cooked will be caught and eaten.

Maybe a bit more clarity next time...

Who set sail only after the sun set?
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Maybe a bit more clarity next time...
Yup, surely, it was just a try to do it somewhat different. Not much succesful, indeed.

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Hmm... would it help if I know who it was not?

I'm thinking Eärendil, in which case it would not mean literally, but at the moment when he was risen to the skies (rising after sunset).
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Not the correct answer.
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Possibly Tilion?
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That could also be an answer, if you consider he is sailing with the vessel of the moon, but I am referring to sailing in normal ships.

Plus, we know Tilion didn't always stick to the plan.
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