WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Aganzir]

If sally lives, I'll be torn about her toMorrow. And later. About half of her posts strike me as rather innocent, the rest scream wolf - not to mention the chaos caused by her.
I'd be willing to vote her, but I'm not going to do that if it risks a double lynch. Is there anyone else who would?

edit: xed since Brinn. Kuru, I can understand the way you feel.

[Thinlómien]

Volo, I did it the first post because I just wanted to see how they'd react. Sadly there were no clear results.

I skimmed through Legate's posts. He did not strike me as seerish.

Lastly, I now remember what I had against Fea. She seemed all too quick to discount the possibility of Legate being killed for being suspected for being the seer.

[Kuruharan]

Aganzir, in spite of everything I've said about morm I think at this point I'd be willing to vote for Sally if we could be sure of not having a double lynch.

She's just got too many questions over her and we need answers. And that post of her's has really spooked me.

[Thinlómien]

Funny as I could risk a double lynch for Sally and morm but not any other double lynch...

[Kuruharan]

But what if we're wrong about both of them?

In my opinion, its better to be wrong once than wrong twice.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

But what if we're wrong about both of them?

In my opinion, its better to be wrong once than wrong twice.

I know it's possible... but in their case, I could take the risk because they both seem so wolvish.

[Aganzir]

It's 6 votes still to come and morm is leading with two. Besides Kuru and me, three sally-voters would be required to have no chance of double lynching.

Originally Posted by Kuru

In my opinion, its better to be wrong once than wrong twice.

Agree.
And if one of them is lynched and turns out innocent, will it make the other look more innocent also?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Agree.
And if one of them is lynched and turns out innocent, will it make the other look more innocent also?

Fair point.

[Kuruharan]

I don't want to do that.

I'm not sure enough about my own judgment for that.

I'm willing to be wrong about one person and look like a complete idiot, but I don't want to make a costly mistake with two.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And if one of them is lynched and turns out innocent, will it make the other look more innocent also?

In this particular case I'm not sure I think so...

We're running out of time here.

I personally almost would rather hang Sally today now.

ugh...

[Thinlómien]

Let's make it your way then...

++SALLY

Time to get rid of her confusion-spreading and furry skin...

edit: xed with Kuru

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Do you really think none of the Green voters are wolves then?

Of course no! Please, read what I said more carefully. I said that a Wolves may vote Wolves, but it makes no sense for them to sacrifice a member of their secret organsition by giving the first reasons of why he/she should be lynched and generally taking him/her from the "flying over the radar" -state.

If it is clear that a Wolf is suspected and/or there is a good possibility that he/she will be lynched it makes a lot of sense to vote for your partner. Like the votes for Lily.

If a Wolf partner is staying low and it's in a big fuss, then it makes little sense to make her your main suspect and try to convince others of his/her guilt. Such a sacrifice comes with a great prize, and I really doubt Lily wanted to be lynched out of her first game on Day2.

I don't know what you think, but to me what I said makes great sense.


On Day3 the first discussion was about why Valier was killed.

In post #150 Aganzir shows slight suspicion about Lily.

In the next post Lommy shows slight suspicion about Lily (Xing with Aganzir.)

Next post where Lily is suspected is Lommy's #187.

But I was the first to really call her a Wolf (and I Xd with Lommy's #187) in #193.

So I take some pride in getting Lily lynched.

Xd with everything since Brinniel's post to which I refer.

[Brinniel]

++Menel

Still my top suspect. Looks like he won't get lynched at this point, but I'd rather stay true to my feelings than vote for someone I'm not sure about. At least my vote will hopefully prevent a double lynch between morm and Sally and any other.

EDIT: X-ed with Lommy and Volo

[The Might]

So we have

sally-3, morm-4, Menel-3, Volo-1

[The Might]

I would vote for Sally.

[Aganzir]

++ sally

And it's tie at the moment, so vote.

[Kuruharan]

I don't want to vote for Sally now unless I'm guaranteed another vote for her...

[Brinniel]

Please no double lynchings! I'm begging you.

[Thinlómien]

Would? Why not "will"? Or "am voting"?

EDIT:xed with a lot

[Kuruharan]

++ Sally

[The Might]

sally-5 , morm-4, Menel-3, Volo-1

[Brinniel]

Thank you, Kuru. *phew*

I still would rather see Menel hung, but at least Sally's death will clear up some things, innocent or not.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Would? Why not "will"? Or "am voting"?

I guess it's because I asked if there's "anyone else who would vote for her".

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Well, I do find it interesting that Volo wants to be my best friend right now.

Not after this post.

Oh, come on, somebody lynch morm, he doesn't make sense and is a Wolf. Although Sally is also a Wolf.

It's all in my posts, it's all in my posts.

[The Might]

I know I am the last, and I am am sorry if because of me we'll have a double lynch.
Also it could well be that this will be a reason for others to vote me tomorrow, but I must say I feel both Sally and morm are wolves.

So, although it will disturb many of you:

++morm

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah I wanted to apologize for that post. I wanted to make a much more thorough post but realized my laptop was about dead. I was getting ready to turn it off and I saw Volo's post, which was a lot like what I'd planned on posting. And I didn't want to just vote and not give any reason.

Fine lynch me if you feel like it, but don't make it a double. Yet again I'd prefer a Morm lynch but I think I'm pretty much dead, so we may as well avoid a double.

Pay attention to the votes people. Go over who said what when, and carefully. Wolves either really want to keep me alive or really want me dead.


Two til deadline. I'm submitting this so I can check votes.

[The Might]

xed with Volo.
Again, I apologize for the double lynch, if you feel the need to lynch me tomorrow because of it, do so, but this is simply my opw opinion.

[Kuruharan]

Oh no.

[Nogrod]

Day3 is over.

Both Sally and morm will be dead.


Narration coming soon... but allow me some time as this is too delicious to just throw away...

[Brinniel]

Urgh, Might!

I think I misunderestimated how many people were left to vote. If I could take back my vote I would...

[satansaloser2005]

No! A double....oh. I'm dead. I'll shut up now.

good luck all

[Nogrod]

The third day seemed to inflame the emotions in the Shire. It was not sure whether it was the setback of losing a Sackville-Baggins (Sackville-Baggins or not but they were honourable and noteworthy hobbits anyway) or the ecxitement from last evening’s succesful lynching but the hobbits were really stirred and buzzing this Day.

First it looked like every finger pointed towards the old Harrybelly. This was the third Day indeed the fingers had pointed his way. But the old Morm had survived already two Days over his respectable years and he meant to survive this one as well. Especially Menel Furryface was on him in the morning hours.

But all the fuzz around the old Harrybelly was redirected as Sally Shortbrush stood up from the table of the youngsters and started running rampant. After a lot of talk most of the hobbits just didn’t understand the point of, she started to speak of a place called "Walmart" where she had visited that very same Day. At that point the other hobbits finally declared her insane. The question remained whether she was a wolf trying to act like one or whether the experiences of the last Days had just been too much for her.

So heated was the discussion indeed that the young Might of Greenholm actually proposed a double lynch this Day. It was the table of the elders that immediately turned that possibility down. A hobbit killing a hobbit was an issue still and with a double lynch the chances of killing one of their own were just too big. “The youngsters should hold their horses”, they said in concerto even if a few of them entertained the possibility of orchestrating a trial for it just to see how others would react to it.

That was except Lommy Baggins who was making a grand-theory of wolves with a speech that lasted from the dinner to the late-evening snack and ended with a reiteration of the idea of double-lynching both Sally and Morm.

"You Bagginses have always been a bit too daring to my taste", the Shrewthwacker said decidedly.

~*~

After a tight discussion and close voting it seemed that the old Harrybelly was leading comfortably.

"I'd rather vote for this young Shortbrush after all... and its better to be wrong once than wrong twice" called the Shrewthwacker

"Let's do something for we can't afford a double lynch!" Agan Sackville-Baggins said.

"We'll go your way then... " Lommy Baggins agreed.

And Sally passed the old Harrybelly in the votes.

"Lynch me if you feel like it but pay attention to how this came about", exclaimed Sally Shortbrush.

"Don't you even try Miss..." said Farael Twofoot and took a few steps towards the Shortbrush wit a raised candlestick in her hand.

"You'll die before the sun has set", Fea Briarpatch added swinging a small knife.

"We'll not double-kill anyone toDay and you're the one to go" said Lommy Baggins tucking up his sleeves.

"We need to get one anyway, there's no turning back now!" called Agan Sackville-Baggins. "Here's for my husband!" she cried and hammered a fork into her eye.

While Sally was still wailing from pain Kuru brought a table to bear and rammed it right over the Shortbrush.

~*~

But one hobbit had been sitting in the shades all the evening and now he stood up from the table of the youngsters.

"My vote is still pending and I will stick to my idea of a double lynch. So let the fiendish Harrybelly die too!" It was the Might of Greenholm whom everyone had kind of forgotten.

A loud murmur which soon changed into a restless stir went through the Green Dragon - or what was left of it.

Shasta of the River and Menel Furryface had to wake old Harrybelly from his dreams.

"You're dead as well gaffer...", Volo Proudfoot whispered to his ear.

"What! Lynched? Because of being suspicious or defensive? Now c'mon you youngsters... and by that I mean all of you except Fea and Kuru... I'm the ranger of the Shire and you should do well to keep away from me!"

"Oh you old crow! You don't fool me!" The Might bellowed and ran his tiny sword he had been carrying with him through Morm's stomach.

The blood was pouring and old Morm sat gasping for breath.

"Why don't you believe what I say..." he muttered and then fell down from the chair.

"Noooo!" cried Brinn Burrows.


~*~

It was silent for a while. No one had turned into anything and no forces of nature had run amok.

They had killed two hobbits. And one of them was their ranger.



The dead:
Nogrod (mod) - Noggie Boffin - beheaded and played soccer with on Night1
Nerwen (ordo) - Nerwen Hornblower - jumped to the river not to force anyone to kill another hobbit on Day1
Valier (ordo) - Vallen FurryFoot - skinned, grilled and served as a breakfast on Night2
Rikae (ordo) – Rikae Took - left the Hobbitton to find aid from somewhere in the middle of Day2
A Little Green (the Breath) - Lilla Greenhand - beaten to death by the hobbits on Day2
Legate of Amon Lanc (ordo) - Legate Sackville-Baggins - sacked, bagged & hanged on Night3
Satansaloser2005 (ordo) - Sally Shortbrush - rammed dead with a table on Day3
Mormegil (the ranger of the Shire) - Mormegil Harrybelly - stabbed to death on Day3

The living:
Thinlómien - Lommy Baggins
Aganzir - Agan Sackville-Baggins
Meneltarmacil - Lupo Furryface
Volo - Justy Proudfoot
Macalaure - Mac Sandyman
The Might - Might of Greenholm
Feanor of the Peredhil - Belladonna Briarpatch
Brinniel - Brinn Burrows
Farael – Farael Twofoot
Kath – Kath Woodyend
Shastanis Althreduin – Shasta of the River
Kuruharan -Kuru Shrewthwacker

Night4 has fallen.

Wolves do what you wish. Seer send me your pick.

[Nogrod]

”Well that was nice indeed!”, grinned the Shard.

“A good Day it was...”, the Drop chuckled.

“Aha!”, the Flame put in. “But this really bothered me earlier this Night... I mean they outscore us in killing 4-3! So are they more evil than we are?”

“I don’t know if you can technically call their first go with that Hornblower as a murder as she jumped to the Water herself...”, the Shard thought out aloud.

“Yeah, and Greenie was indeed one of us so maybe they don’t regard that as an evil but a good deed indeed?”, the Drop continued.

“But didn’t we talk about this just yesterNight? Remember what...”, the Flame started only to be bluntly interrupted by the Shard.

“Now don’t start that again Flame! We had that discussion already. If you have any fresh starts please go on but...”

The Flame was quiet for a moment and then waved for the others to proceed forwards.

~*~

The three were walking down the New Row silently, listening to any signs of movement around.

“Isn’t this the Sharkey’s End we’re walking?” the Flame asked in the end, breaking the silence.

“It’s those darn Bywater hobbits who use that name”, the Shard spatted.

“That’s pretty rude now isn’t it?” the Drop commented.

“That’s just what I’m thinking... even more strongly by now. C’mon, they kill more than we do and they make fun of our dead... Sharkey’s End... fun indeed... for them”, the Flame protested quietly.

The Shard stopped abruptly and waited for the other two to halt as well and to turn back to him.

“Now what is it exactly you’re driving at my friend?

The Flame shrugged and looked for the Drop for support. “Okay then. Can you make a difference now between us and them, now can you Shard?”

There was an odd silence.

“We kill, they kill... we laugh, they laugh... it seems to fit”, the Drop mused.

“Agreed... What then?” the Shard muttered, “but what about it, what’s your point?”

“Well, I was just thinking whether we could be called the baddies and they the goodies anymore... I mean if we’re doing the same thing in the end... that’s what I was thinking. And what will it mean to us and how we see ourselves?”, the Flame bursted, annoyed that the Shard didn’t seem to get his idea.

“So you’re trying to question whether there is any good or evil as such in the Shire anymore, right?” the Drop asked sincerely.

“But isn’t it enough that we started this whole thing off? It was a nice and cozy village and look at the bloodshed now! Aren’t we victorious in any case?” the Shard exclaimed quite aloud.

“Shh...”, the Drop hissed.

“But they’ve surpassed us in the killings! What’s the point of just looking at who started if the retaliation is much worse than the initial bad deed?” the Flame answered, hardly able to keep his voice down. “Sorry Shard, but I do have a slight problem with my identity right now! I’d like to know whether I’m a baddie or a goodie or just something in between...”

There was a silence which was broken by the sarcastic notion of the Shard: “Well? Are there any actual consequences to your thoughts or not? Maybe you’d like to sit back and wallow in your private existential anguishes while me and Drop do the work then?”

The Drop looked at both his mates wondering where this might lead to.

“No, no. I’m in. That’s what I am. I am a killer. That’s the only thing I’m sure about right now. But I was just wondering about the way we should do it...” the Flame said with contrastingly serious tone.

“How about singing Summertime today?”, the Drop suggested with a smile.

The two others shook their heads disapprovingly.

~*~

“Okay mates. The time is running out”, the Shard said and crashed the door into the hobbithole beside of which they had stood.

They met a screaming hobbit in the hallway.

“Hush now m’dear”, the Drop hissed to the screaming hobbit. Then he turned towards his mates pointing them to take positions around the hobbit. “Now here’s what we do... Trust me, I know what I’m doing... no Summertimes...” The Drop turned to face the hobbit once more but seemed to address also the other werewolves at the same time. “So clockwise we go around this prickly pear and with every “pear” we’ll give you a nice little slash... that ok. my little?”

The hobbit had stopped screaming and was trembling in horror looking at the three giant werewolves gathering around her and talking about slashing her.

“Cheer up milady, it looks like playtime!” the Shard chickled.

Then the Drop started.

Here we go round the prickly pear...

And with the word ‘pear’ he slashed the hobbit's right arm off. The others caught the idea and grinned. Soon they were all walking round her and singing joyfully the old rhyme and taking their turns with every ‘pear’.

Here we go round the prickly pear,
Prickly pear, pricly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o’clock in the morning...

“Well that was delightful indeed!” the Shard admitted after the hobbit had been chopped to pieces following a few rounds of the round game. "And it should have been pleasant to her as well... the round games are always the favourites with the hobbits..."

“Any uplifting add-ons to leave for our living hobbits, anyone?” the Drop asked with a wide smile.

“I guess that song reminded me about one... Paper, pen, anyone? No?” the Flame looked around him.

“There’s enough blood for a novel”, the Shard grinned.

While the Flame was busy writing the Drop took a look around. “Hey, look at this!” he shouted after looking into the drawer. “There’s a list of names here... seems to be correct.”

The Shard bellowed with laughter. “Excellent! Excellent my friends! This seer Kath Woodyend will not trouble us no more”.

“And the lines I wrote will be even more poignant...”, the Flame grinned.



~*~

The dead:
Nogrod (mod) - Noggie Boffin - beheaded and played soccer with on Night1
Nerwen (ordo) - Nerwen Hornblower - jumped to the river not to force anyone to kill another hobbit on Day1
Valier (ordo) - Vallen FurryFoot - skinned, grilled and served as a breakfast on Night2
Rikae (ordo) – Rikae Took - left the Hobbitton to find aid from somewhere in the middle of Day2
A Little Green (the Breath) - Lilla Greenhand - beaten to death by the hobbits on Day2
Legate of Amon Lanc (ordo) - Legate Sackville-Baggins - sacked, bagged & hanged on Night3
Satansaloser2005 (ordo) - Sally Shortbrush - rammed dead with a table on Day3
Mormegil (the ranger of the Shire) - Mormegil Harrybelly - stabbed to death on Day3
Kath (the seer of the shire) – Kath Woodyend - slashed into pieces during a round game on Night4

The living:
Thinlómien - Lommy Baggins
Aganzir - Agan Sackville-Baggins
Meneltarmacil - Lupo Furryface
Volo - Justy Proudfoot
Macalaure - Mac Sandyman
The Might - Might of Greenholm
Feanor of the Peredhil - Belladonna Briarpatch
Brinniel - Brinn Burrows
Farael – Farael Twofoot
Shastanis Althreduin – Shasta of the River
Kuruharan -Kuru Shrewthwacker

Day4 has dawned.

[The Might]

Well, I am sure that there is little that I can say now to either make you trust me again, if you did trust me that is, or not lnych me. I know that I acted like a total fool, and I am sorry for that, also if necessary I am ready to support the consequences.
The problem is that I know I am innocent and that if I get killed today about that stupid decision yesterday and not a wolf the situation doesn't look good for the others.
I'm really sorry and there is not much that I can say.
Next time when there will be a double lynch possibilty I'll just keep my hands away from the keyboard.

I find those that voted for mormegil (ironic, myself too) quite suspicious right now.
All I want is for you to give me a chance to redeem myself. If you want proof that I am not a wolf, then I shall vote for whoever is considered to be a wolf by most.

Again, I am sorry for wasting the ranger, but now with our seer gone too we must stick together.

[Kuruharan]

Hmmm…welp…

The Might did willfully and with malice aforethought cause a double lynching even though at that point everybody else said they didn’t want one and were trying to work to prevent it. He’s been consistently distracting as well, bringing up various issues to get us arguing and neglecting the business of hunting wolves. Oh, and Kath voted against him on Day One.

He’s got some ‘splaining to do.

Meneltarmacil is beginning to look ever more suspicious. I’ve been hesitant in my suspicion of him because, lets face it, he’s always kind of suspicious. But now there is real reason to suspect him. He is wildly inconsistent and definitely has the appearance of going along with whatever the most popular theory at the time. He also seems leery of disagreeing with whoever it is he happens to be talking to at the time (ex. his arguing that morm was a wolf, then when morm appeared changing his mind, and then going back to arguing that morm was a wolf). Kath voted against him yesterday.

Thinlómien was one of my early suspects. I didn’t feel suspicious of her yesterday…mainly because she was saying things that I agreed with. Oops! So I’m suspicious of her again. I’m uncomfortable because she said she was willing to try a double lynch in post 339. However, she did try to avoid it at the end.

Shastanis Althreduin is very quiet. Not saying this is bad…just blends into the background and can be easily forgotten.

However, I don’t think all these people are wolves (obviously since there thankfully aren’t four wolves now).

These are the people who spoke favorably of a double lynching at some point yesterday…

The Might post 298 (caused one)
Menel post 301
Lommy post 339
Macalaure flip flopped on them initially saying in post 359 that he was against them, but then in post 366 seemed to downplay the risks of it.

[Thinlómien]

This is just horrible. I mean, my only strong suspects have been proved wrong, the double-lynch I could have executed myself was a total disaster and now our seer's dead as well (like our ranger). I really could bang my head against a wall or something...

I have not been able to bring myself to reread the thread and think it all over again and form new suspects, but right now I feel that Menel and Aganzir might be furry and that Farael and Brinniel are probably innocent. I'm totally confused about The Might who looks like a bold wolf but is probably too wolvish to be one. I really need to rethink if I can trust Volo and Mac and I should have a good look at the rest of people as well.

That being said, I'm going to first look through Kath's posts and see if they give any clues about whom she might have dreamt of. Then, if I'm not too tired, I'm going to reread through the whole thread or at least the posts of Greenie and all the living people.

EDIT: xed with Miggy and Kuru

[The Might]

I am well aware that I have explaining to do and all I can say is that it is an unfortunate event that I have made these decisions. I was quite sure about Sally, which also turned out to be wrong in the end, and also suspected morm somewhat...now I feel like a fool.

As already said in the first post, if voting Menel or anyone else will help you believe me, then I am willing to.

Volo's post right before my vote seems quite wolvish as well.

[Macalaure]

I can't believe you actually did it. The one time I'm gone a few hours early, and you initiate a double lynch! And what a double lynch! Now, both our gifteds are dead, and we still have 3 wolves around - and only 8 ordos left against them.

I only have time for a very short comment (or rather a defense, I guess) now, but I'll have plenty later. There is much to be looked at today.

Originally Posted by me

PS: I've seen an all-ordo quadruple lynching once, so:
--double lynchings

Originally Posted by me, too

I think Kuru's concern about the risks of a double lynching is way out of the reasonable. The village is still relatively large, and we're not that insane here. I think we can handle a fourth option:

Originally Posted by Kuru

Macalaure flip flopped on them initially saying in post 359 that he was against them, but then in post 366 seemed to downplay the risks of it.

I didn't flip-flop. I was totally against it. However, we had a village of 14. 4 candidates in a village of that size is usually not double lynch dangerous. It's a completely average number! The vast majority of us didn't support a double lynch. There was no reason to be worried about it, for me, and that's why I wondered why you were.

I was wrong.


PS: Lynch the Might.

[Thinlómien]

What Kath said about others

Day1
#18 nothing
#51 is slightly suspicious of Nerwen, feels pretty ok about Rikae, and me (except for one comment which she disagreed with). Does not know what to think of ALG and jokes that morm is suspicious.
#67 votes Might because he caught her eye. Is not sure if a wolf would act like Miggy acts, though.

Day2
#157 says Valier was probably killed for looking like the seer. Suspects Greenie slightly. Thinks me and morm innocentish based on our behaviour. Would like to hear more of Fea's own opinions.
#168 says the stuff about Rikae is interesting and she finds it more credible than the idea that morm is a wolf, which seems a bit forced. Does not like Miggy's self-vote, says he could be a bold wolf. Does not like morm's vote for Valier either. Says the placement of Brinn's vote could be suspicious and she might have tried to save a fellow wolf morm. Asks Greenie why Nerwen's death makes me suspicious. Thinks Greenie, Might, morm and Brinn guilty.
#227 says her suspicion of Brinn has increased, votes Greenie who is her main suspect.
#255 nothing

Day3
#317 says she's more comfortable around morm that day. Is worried about Kuru's behaviour and says that unless Brinn is a wolf, morm probably isn't. Thinks I and morm are both innocent because our strife looks like an innocent one. Suspects Might and Brinn. Says Kuru feels like a misguided innocent and Menel is suspicious and not fitting right to her. Assumes morm innocent.
#354 her suspicion of Menel is rising. Is unsure about Sally's behaviour.
#358 is not convinced of morm's wolvishness and unsure about Sally. Votes Menel, whom she finds suspicious.

Conclusions

I think she quite probably dreamt of morm, either on Night2 or Night3. The sentence "I'm actually a lot more comfortable with morm toDay" said on Day3 points at it being Night3 when she dreamt of him, especially as she was still suspicious of morm the Day before.

Who did she dream of on the two other Nights then? I think she might have dreamt of Greenie on Night2, because she clearly started suspecting her after that.

Night1 then? Well, of those she mentioned Nerwen is ruled out because she was no wolf, she's too unsure of Greenie to have dreamt of her that early and I think it doesn't look like she had dreamt of TM either. I think she would have been more against him if she had dreamt of wolf-Might. So that leaves Rikae and me. On Day2, she found the arguments against Rikae worth considering, so she probably didn't dream of her.

So, if I had to guess, I'd say she dreamt of me on Night1 and found me innocent, Greenie on Night2 and found her guilty and morm on Night3 and found him innocent.

That's how I see it, and sadly it hardly helps me at all.

EDIT: xed with Might and Mac

[Volo]

My angst yesterDay after the bloodshed:
I wish I was dead. Or at least less influential, my old cobbler self to whom people didn't listen... (Cruel that I was a Cobbler last game.)
YesterDay was surely something I didn't await for and now I'm completely lost. Oh, morm, why didn't you tell us...
Now we should resolve that we won't double lynch ever unless the Seer tells us to.
I trust noone, myself the least...
Most suspicious: Menel, Might, Lommy, Brinn.

Ok, that was history and little attention should be given it.

I'd like to say a few words about Rangers:
Morm should have told us his role yesterDay. A lynched Ranger is one of the worst possible scenarios (only the lynching the Seer being worse).
I wouldn't have voted a person who declared himself the Ranger:
1. The person will probably be killed next Night (but that's better than lynching him).
2. The isn't killed during the Night, because the Wolves want to bluff and make us think that the person isn't the Ranger or the person wants to bluff and isn't the Ranger. I don't see any harm done this way. We don't lynch "the Ranger" unless another Ranger comes to claim the role or the real Ranger dies (or is Dreamed of). If a compeditor appeared we'd know that one of them is a Wolf - then we have to decide.


A few words about our Seer:
Read post #317. It gives the feel that her Day3 dream was morm.
The other dreams can be Brinn, Might and/or Menel. I'm not decided which they could be.


I'm in the middle of a post-to-post analysis of Day3, but I'll tell a few things I have found:
I get a feeling that Kuru is trying to steer the discussiong away (using the talk-effect or whatever it was called) both in #297 and #300. What do you think?

Another - and the more important - is:

Originally Posted by Mac

Lily and Menel

"I found Menel's continuous joking about not being eaten disturbing.
my vote today will most probably be Menel."

Menel finds her suspicious but chooses morm over her for reasons I think are understandable.

This has been mentioned before, but I find Menel's post #238 leaning suspicious.

Ah, I'll try to get my thoughts more organised now, get the whole post-to-post analysis over and look at Kath's posts.

The feeling before Kath's death, Aganzir being least suspicious and Menel being the most suspicious.
Aganzir
Thinlómien
Farael
Shastanis Althreduin
Macalaure
Feanor of the Peredhil
Kuruharan
Brinniel
The Might
Meneltarmacil

Xd with everything since #435.