What kind of hobbit was Frodo? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

LadyElbereth · 08-21-2002, 04:50 PM

Here's another one of my stupid questions [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
What kind of hobbit was Frodo? Was he a Stoor, Fallohide, or a Harfoot? What about Sam, Merry, and Pippin?

ElanorGamgee · 08-21-2002, 05:24 PM

I am pretty sure that Frodo, Merry, and Pippin were Fallohides and Sam was a Harfoot.

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: ElanorGamgee ]

Merry Brandybuck · 08-29-2002, 05:58 PM

As far as I know, Merry and the all other Brandybucks were strongly Stoorish because they lived near the river, as is the manner of Stoors. But they also had a slight Fallowhidish strain in their blood.
Sam was definately Harfoot. So was Frodo, but again with a touch of Fallowhide, considering his affinity with elves.
I think....big stress on I THINK on this one, the Tooks were mostly Fallowhide.

I'm saying all this from my memory of Tolkiens description of the different types of hobbits in the prologue to LOTR, so I could be wrong. That would be your best source for answers, or the appendices at the end.
Okay, I'll stop rambling. Hope I helped.

LadyElbereth · 08-30-2002, 06:54 AM

Thanks, that did help. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Frodo Baggins · 08-30-2002, 07:10 AM

Well Cousin Merry, you are the first I have met that knows the explanation.

I am all three. Baggins is a fallohide family, (as is Gamgee). Now, Merry, Pippin, Bilbo, and myself are all descended form the Old Took. Took is an old fallohide family. (Gandalf described me as "fairer than most, and Fallohides are the fairest of the three kinds of hobbits) The Brandybucks are Stoorish and Fallohidish both, so Merry and I are Stoor and Fallohide. Merry, you and Pippin have a baggins in your family tree somewhere, therefore you are a bit Harfoot yourself. Hope that helps.

Love, Frodo

The Rip Designs Dude · 08-30-2002, 12:49 PM

you probably mean baggins is a HARFOOT family, but I guess it's just a typo

Merry Brandybuck · 08-30-2002, 01:25 PM

indeedy, cousin Frodo's explanation is probably more accurate, as I was going from memeory and I have a memory like a sieve.

Frodo Baggins · 08-30-2002, 02:31 PM

oopses I meant to say HARFOOT. Baggins is a harfoot family and thats where i get mist of my harfoot.

Starbreeze · 08-30-2002, 02:40 PM

hate to prove people wrong, but the families of Baggins, Brandybuck and Took have very strong Fallohide links, where as Sam is definitely harfoot. Fallohide hobbits were the more adventurous and according to David Day's Guide to Middle Earth, managed to get themselves in and out of trouble quite easily. I'll find you a qoute if you like?

Rose Cotton · 08-30-2002, 06:56 PM

What about the Cottons?

Merry Brandybuck · 08-31-2002, 10:32 AM

Harfoots where the most common type of hobbit, so the Cottons were probably Harfoot as well Rosie.
I'm going to have to argue with you Starbreeze. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
The Tooks were very strongly Fallowhide, and since Bilbo's mother was Belladonna Took, he had a Fallowhidish streak (which was passed on to Frodo.....somehow.). But the Baggins were Harfoot, as were most the hobbit in that area of the Shire. Myself, being Pippins cousin, also had Tookish (therefore Fallowhidish) connections. But the Brandybucks were Stoors, more or less, like most hobbits in the east of the Shire.

LadyElbereth · 08-31-2002, 02:47 PM

AAAACK! i'm confused! can anyone agree on the same answer? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Merry Brandybuck · 08-31-2002, 04:35 PM

Um, no. It's controversial.....as you can see.
Can someone confirm this please?

Frodo Baggins · 09-02-2002, 09:24 AM

This is from 'concerning hobbits' at the beginning of the book:

"The Harfoots were browner of skin, smaller, adn shorter, and they were beardless and bootless; their hands and feet were neat and nimble; and hey prefeered high;ands and hillsides. The Storrs were broader, heavier in build; their feet and hands were larger; and they preferred flat lands and riversides. The Fallohides were fairer of skin and also of hair, and they were taller and slimmer than the others; they were lovers of trees and woodlands.
"The Harfooots had much to do with Dwarves in ancient times, amd long lived in the foothills of the mountains. They moved westward early, and roamed over Eriador as far as Weathertop while the others were still in wilderland. They were the most normal and representative variety of Hobbit, and far the most numerous. They were the most inclined to settle in one place, and longest preserved their ancestral habbit of living in tunnles and holes.
"The Stoors lingered long by the banks of the Great River Anduin, and were less shy of men (there's probaly a lot of Stoorish Hobbits in Bree). They came west after the harfoots and followed the course of the Loudwater (Bruinen) southwards; and there many of them dwelt between Tharbard and the borders of Dunland before they moved north again.
"The Fallohides, the least numerous, were a northerly branch. They were more friendly with Elves then the other hobbits were (probably why Bilbo and I spend a lot of time with Elves), and had more skill in language and song than in handicrafts (Bilbo and I leared Elvish quickly, his poetry is better than mine); and of old they preferred hunting to tilling (Sam is definitely a better gardener than I). They crossed the mountains north of Rivendell and came down the River Hoarwell. In Eriador they soon mingled with the other kinds that had precedeed them, but being somewhat bolder and more adventurous, they were often found as chieftans smong calns of Harfoots or Stoors. EVEN IN BILBO'S TIME THE STRONG FALLOHIDISH STRAIN COULD STILL BE NOTED AMONG THE GREATER FAMILIES, SUCH AS THE TOOKS AND MASTERS OF BUCKLAND."

So yes the Brandybuck are Stoorish, but they are also Fallohidish.

Frodo Baggins · 09-02-2002, 09:28 AM

Merry,

The reason I am so Fallohish is that My mother's mother, my grandmother, was Mirabella Took, the youngest daughter of Gerontious, the Old Took. Mirbella was Belladonna's (Bilbo's mother) younger sister.

LadyElbereth · 09-02-2002, 03:52 PM

Thankyou for typing all that down, Frodo Baggins. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] but i have another question, how does everyone know that Sam was a Harfoot? Does it say somewhere in the book, and i just missed it? or did Tolkein describe Sam in the book, therefore leading ya'll in to the conclusion that he was a Harfoot?
~LadyElbereth~

Merry Brandybuck · 09-03-2002, 01:13 PM

Indeed........well, I was sort of right.

And I could never keep track of your family, Cousin Frodo. I mean, Bilbos not even your Uncle. Cousin thrice removed on either side, or something to that effect, if I remember correctly (which is seldom).

Everyone presumes Sam was a Harfoot, because Harfoots were the most common type of hobbit and Tolkiens description of a Harfoot fots Sam more accurately than that of a Stoor or Fallohide.

Thanks for typing all that out.
Let's get this straight:
Bilbo and Frodo - Harfoot, with a strong Fallohidish strain.
Pippin - Strongly Fallowhididh (being a Took)
Me (Merry) - A fallohidish Stoor.
Sam - Harfoot

08-21-2002, 04:50 PM	#1
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 190	What kind of hobbit was Frodo? Here's another one of my stupid questions [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] What kind of hobbit was Frodo? Was he a Stoor, Fallohide, or a Harfoot? What about Sam, Merry, and Pippin? __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

08-21-2002, 05:24 PM	#2
ElanorGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 314	I am pretty sure that Frodo, Merry, and Pippin were Fallohides and Sam was a Harfoot. [ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: ElanorGamgee ] __________________ Soli Deo Gloria

08-29-2002, 05:58 PM	#3
Merry Brandybuck Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Buckland, The Shire Posts: 31	As far as I know, Merry and the all other Brandybucks were strongly Stoorish because they lived near the river, as is the manner of Stoors. But they also had a slight Fallowhidish strain in their blood. Sam was definately Harfoot. So was Frodo, but again with a touch of Fallowhide, considering his affinity with elves. I think....big stress on I THINK on this one, the Tooks were mostly Fallowhide. I'm saying all this from my memory of Tolkiens description of the different types of hobbits in the prologue to LOTR, so I could be wrong. That would be your best source for answers, or the appendices at the end. Okay, I'll stop rambling. Hope I helped. __________________ Legolas: Crebain from Dunland! The rest of the Fellowship: Whatty from whatland?

08-30-2002, 06:54 AM	#4
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 190	Thanks, that did help. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

08-30-2002, 07:10 AM	#5
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Well Cousin Merry, you are the first I have met that knows the explanation. I am all three. Baggins is a fallohide family, (as is Gamgee). Now, Merry, Pippin, Bilbo, and myself are all descended form the Old Took. Took is an old fallohide family. (Gandalf described me as "fairer than most, and Fallohides are the fairest of the three kinds of hobbits) The Brandybucks are Stoorish and Fallohidish both, so Merry and I are Stoor and Fallohide. Merry, you and Pippin have a baggins in your family tree somewhere, therefore you are a bit Harfoot yourself. Hope that helps. Love, Frodo __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

08-30-2002, 12:49 PM	#6
The Rip Designs Dude Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 22	you probably mean baggins is a HARFOOT family, but I guess it's just a typo __________________ ~Hobbit lad name for The Rip Designs Dude~ Pippin Took from Buckland

08-30-2002, 01:25 PM	#7
Merry Brandybuck Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Buckland, The Shire Posts: 31	indeedy, cousin Frodo's explanation is probably more accurate, as I was going from memeory and I have a memory like a sieve. __________________ Legolas: Crebain from Dunland! The rest of the Fellowship: Whatty from whatland?

08-30-2002, 02:31 PM	#8
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	oopses I meant to say HARFOOT. Baggins is a harfoot family and thats where i get mist of my harfoot. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

08-30-2002, 02:40 PM	#9
Starbreeze Ghost of a Smile Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mirkwood - Middle Earth Posts: 389	hate to prove people wrong, but the families of Baggins, Brandybuck and Took have very strong Fallohide links, where as Sam is definitely harfoot. Fallohide hobbits were the more adventurous and according to David Day's Guide to Middle Earth, managed to get themselves in and out of trouble quite easily. I'll find you a qoute if you like? __________________ Do not tamper with the affairs of wizards, they are not all that subtle - Terry Pratchett To write is to make dreams, to make dreams is to awaken the fantasy of the mind, to awaken the mind is to be a master.

08-30-2002, 06:56 PM	#10
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	What about the Cottons? __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

08-31-2002, 10:32 AM	#11
Merry Brandybuck Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Buckland, The Shire Posts: 31	Harfoots where the most common type of hobbit, so the Cottons were probably Harfoot as well Rosie. I'm going to have to argue with you Starbreeze. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] The Tooks were very strongly Fallowhide, and since Bilbo's mother was Belladonna Took, he had a Fallowhidish streak (which was passed on to Frodo.....somehow.). But the Baggins were Harfoot, as were most the hobbit in that area of the Shire. Myself, being Pippins cousin, also had Tookish (therefore Fallowhidish) connections. But the Brandybucks were Stoors, more or less, like most hobbits in the east of the Shire. __________________ Legolas: Crebain from Dunland! The rest of the Fellowship: Whatty from whatland?

08-31-2002, 02:47 PM	#12
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 190	AAAACK! i'm confused! can anyone agree on the same answer? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

08-31-2002, 04:35 PM	#13
Merry Brandybuck Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Buckland, The Shire Posts: 31	Um, no. It's controversial.....as you can see. Can someone confirm this please? __________________ Legolas: Crebain from Dunland! The rest of the Fellowship: Whatty from whatland?

09-02-2002, 09:24 AM	#14
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	This is from 'concerning hobbits' at the beginning of the book: "The Harfoots were browner of skin, smaller, adn shorter, and they were beardless and bootless; their hands and feet were neat and nimble; and hey prefeered high;ands and hillsides. The Storrs were broader, heavier in build; their feet and hands were larger; and they preferred flat lands and riversides. The Fallohides were fairer of skin and also of hair, and they were taller and slimmer than the others; they were lovers of trees and woodlands. "The Harfooots had much to do with Dwarves in ancient times, amd long lived in the foothills of the mountains. They moved westward early, and roamed over Eriador as far as Weathertop while the others were still in wilderland. They were the most normal and representative variety of Hobbit, and far the most numerous. They were the most inclined to settle in one place, and longest preserved their ancestral habbit of living in tunnles and holes. "The Stoors lingered long by the banks of the Great River Anduin, and were less shy of men (there's probaly a lot of Stoorish Hobbits in Bree). They came west after the harfoots and followed the course of the Loudwater (Bruinen) southwards; and there many of them dwelt between Tharbard and the borders of Dunland before they moved north again. "The Fallohides, the least numerous, were a northerly branch. They were more friendly with Elves then the other hobbits were (probably why Bilbo and I spend a lot of time with Elves), and had more skill in language and song than in handicrafts (Bilbo and I leared Elvish quickly, his poetry is better than mine); and of old they preferred hunting to tilling (Sam is definitely a better gardener than I). They crossed the mountains north of Rivendell and came down the River Hoarwell. In Eriador they soon mingled with the other kinds that had precedeed them, but being somewhat bolder and more adventurous, they were often found as chieftans smong calns of Harfoots or Stoors. EVEN IN BILBO'S TIME THE STRONG FALLOHIDISH STRAIN COULD STILL BE NOTED AMONG THE GREATER FAMILIES, SUCH AS THE TOOKS AND MASTERS OF BUCKLAND." So yes the Brandybuck are Stoorish, but they are also Fallohidish. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

09-02-2002, 09:28 AM	#15
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Merry, The reason I am so Fallohish is that My mother's mother, my grandmother, was Mirabella Took, the youngest daughter of Gerontious, the Old Took. Mirbella was Belladonna's (Bilbo's mother) younger sister. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

09-02-2002, 03:52 PM	#16
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 190	Thankyou for typing all that down, Frodo Baggins. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] but i have another question, how does everyone know that Sam was a Harfoot? Does it say somewhere in the book, and i just missed it? or did Tolkein describe Sam in the book, therefore leading ya'll in to the conclusion that he was a Harfoot? ~LadyElbereth~ __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

09-03-2002, 01:13 PM	#17
Merry Brandybuck Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Buckland, The Shire Posts: 31	Indeed........well, I was sort of right. And I could never keep track of your family, Cousin Frodo. I mean, Bilbos not even your Uncle. Cousin thrice removed on either side, or something to that effect, if I remember correctly (which is seldom). Everyone presumes Sam was a Harfoot, because Harfoots were the most common type of hobbit and Tolkiens description of a Harfoot fots Sam more accurately than that of a Stoor or Fallohide. Thanks for typing all that out. Let's get this straight: Bilbo and Frodo - Harfoot, with a strong Fallohidish strain. Pippin - Strongly Fallowhididh (being a Took) Me (Merry) - A fallohidish Stoor. Sam - Harfoot __________________ Legolas: Crebain from Dunland! The rest of the Fellowship: Whatty from whatland?