Hat or hood? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Morima · 08-02-2002, 05:56 PM

I'm doing some research here, so someone please tell me: Did Saruman use a hat or a hood when he was out?

Éomer says that "he walks about like an old man hooded and cloaked." [TTT, The Riders of Rohan]. So appearantly, a hood's what he used to wear. But the old man who stole the horses in the same chapter, had a hat, and it wasn't Gandalf, cause so he states himself in the chapter The White Rider. However, though it's reasonable to say that the man was Saruman (since he stole the horses), it's also kinda reasonable not to think so, cause at this time Saruman should be back in Isengard, preparing to send out his army. And still, I've read that Saruman probably would have overrun Rohan if he had sent out his army only five days earlier, so did he send the army out too late because he had been out doing mischief to the good guys?

I guess so, cause it couldn't have been anyone else who did it. So. I'd like to think that Saruman was wandering with a hat, but I really want to be accurate. Is he mentioned anywhere else with a hat?

I guess you're laughing now cause it's a stupid little question, but I would be thankful for answers! Thag you very buch (in advance) [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ August 02, 2002: Message edited by: Morima ]

burrahobbit · 08-02-2002, 07:37 PM

Why not both? A hood one day, the next day throw back the hood in favor of a hat.

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 08-03-2002, 01:30 PM

Didn't it also say that they were kind of wondering if it was Saruman because the man they saw was wearing a hat? That would mean Saruman wore a hood.

Kuruharan · 08-03-2002, 02:00 PM

I think I'll go with Gandalf and say that Saruman would appear to you in the way that would best suit his purposes.

In other words, I guess that I'm agreeing with burrahobbit in a rather unusual way.

RiderOfRohan · 08-05-2002, 12:59 PM

s confse as you but why cant he use both?

The Silver-shod Muse · 08-05-2002, 02:55 PM

Why would Saruman be frightening horses in the middle of the night anyway, if he had so many servants? Surely he didn't come all the way from Isengard on foot (I assume, since hoof-marks weren't found) to chase three guy's horses across a field. That chapter in TTT has always puzzled me.

Kuruharan · 08-05-2002, 04:16 PM

He didn't. Gandalf makes a cryptic comment that Saruman came to meet his servants and see if they had the hobbits. That was the reason why he was in the area. Why he was still hanging around I don't know, but it must have been Saruman because Gandalf said that it was not him.

Unless of course it was Radagast. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Morima · 08-06-2002, 07:34 AM

Thanks a lot ppl! The reason for the question is that I'm making costumes for myself and my friends for the TTT-premiere. It would have been cool with Saruman with a hat. I really want to make that hat.

But what should it look like?

Davin · 08-06-2002, 09:27 AM

I'm guessing it would be a hat similar to the one Gandalf wears, since Saruman was mistaken for Gandalf at first by Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas.

Unless of course he wears a baseball cap, but it's up to you. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

08-02-2002, 05:56 PM	#1
Morima Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Budapest. Posts: 79	Hat or hood? I'm doing some research here, so someone please tell me: Did Saruman use a hat or a hood when he was out? Éomer says that "he walks about like an old man hooded and cloaked." [TTT, The Riders of Rohan]. So appearantly, a hood's what he used to wear. But the old man who stole the horses in the same chapter, had a hat, and it wasn't Gandalf, cause so he states himself in the chapter The White Rider. However, though it's reasonable to say that the man was Saruman (since he stole the horses), it's also kinda reasonable not to think so, cause at this time Saruman should be back in Isengard, preparing to send out his army. And still, I've read that Saruman probably would have overrun Rohan if he had sent out his army only five days earlier, so did he send the army out too late because he had been out doing mischief to the good guys? I guess so, cause it couldn't have been anyone else who did it. So. I'd like to think that Saruman was wandering with a hat, but I really want to be accurate. Is he mentioned anywhere else with a hat? I guess you're laughing now cause it's a stupid little question, but I would be thankful for answers! Thag you very buch (in advance) [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ August 02, 2002: Message edited by: Morima ] __________________ «We're all but noon now; dawn, evening and midnight.» Aki Benetah.

08-02-2002, 07:37 PM	#2
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,430	Why not both? A hood one day, the next day throw back the hood in favor of a hat. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

08-03-2002, 01:30 PM	#3
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	Didn't it also say that they were kind of wondering if it was Saruman because the man they saw was wearing a hat? That would mean Saruman wore a hood. __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

08-03-2002, 02:00 PM	#4
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,639	I think I'll go with Gandalf and say that Saruman would appear to you in the way that would best suit his purposes. In other words, I guess that I'm agreeing with burrahobbit in a rather unusual way. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

08-05-2002, 12:59 PM	#5
RiderOfRohan Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rohan Posts: 40	s confse as you but why cant he use both? __________________ I am never late, nor am I early. I arrive exactly when I want to! I feel so uninspired. Mind Altering drugs, that's what Ineed!

08-05-2002, 02:55 PM	#6
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	Why would Saruman be frightening horses in the middle of the night anyway, if he had so many servants? Surely he didn't come all the way from Isengard on foot (I assume, since hoof-marks weren't found) to chase three guy's horses across a field. That chapter in TTT has always puzzled me. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

08-05-2002, 04:16 PM	#7
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,639	He didn't. Gandalf makes a cryptic comment that Saruman came to meet his servants and see if they had the hobbits. That was the reason why he was in the area. Why he was still hanging around I don't know, but it must have been Saruman because Gandalf said that it was not him. Unless of course it was Radagast. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

08-06-2002, 07:34 AM	#8
Morima Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Budapest. Posts: 79	Thanks a lot ppl! The reason for the question is that I'm making costumes for myself and my friends for the TTT-premiere. It would have been cool with Saruman with a hat. I really want to make that hat. But what should it look like? __________________ «We're all but noon now; dawn, evening and midnight.» Aki Benetah.

08-06-2002, 09:27 AM	#9
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	I'm guessing it would be a hat similar to the one Gandalf wears, since Saruman was mistaken for Gandalf at first by Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas. Unless of course he wears a baseball cap, but it's up to you. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««