How did Gandalf know? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Arwen Imladris · 09-02-2002, 11:19 AM

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P.S. Do Not use it again, not for any reason whatever! Do not travel by night!

How did he know that he had used it? This was written long before Frodo ever left the shire. Or did he just guesse?

Eol · 09-02-2002, 01:51 PM

Gandolf did know to an exstent as he knew how powerful that ring was. He may have sensed its power being used. Or it could have been intuition.

Durialion · 09-02-2002, 01:56 PM

I agree he may of hiad an hunch of the power and danger so that is what i think.

09-02-2002, 02:12 PM

Gandalf is phsycic... its a wizard thing they can since the happenings of friends. u would know if u were one *looks around nervously* but Gandalf is Gandalf u cant explain things about him much. i want his hat i really like it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

akhtene · 09-02-2002, 02:49 PM

For one thing, Gandalf knew for sure that Bilbo had been using the ring, and so he could advise Frodo not to repeat the same foolisness.

And then, Gandalf himself was wearing one of the Rings of Power, so he probably could sense when the One was being 'activated'

Ravenna · 09-02-2002, 03:50 PM

If memory serves, that wa from the letter given to frodo at the Prancing Pony, which means it was written, after Gandalf had discovered the writing on the ring and what it really was, so warning Frodo not to use it seems only sensible, likewise, knowing it was the ring and that Sauron was likely to be seeking it, the warning not to travel at night, is afain common sense,a s evil beings were more likely to attack under cover of darkness than in broad daylight, especially if Gandalf suspected that the Nazgul were once more abroad in the world.

O'Boile · 09-03-2002, 08:07 AM

I think Gandalf guessed about Frodo maybe using it. The letter was written several months before Frodo had set out... in fact, I'm sure that Frodo did not use the ring between when he last talked to Gandalf and when Gandalf wrote the letter. Gandalf probably assumed that Frodo would by the time he got it. Even if he hadn't used the ring, it still makes sense as a reminder.

Rose Cotton · 09-03-2002, 08:21 AM

You also must relize that Gandalf was frightened of the rings power. Enough that he didn't want to touch it. Being in this paranoid state he didn't want Frodo to do anything with the ring untill he was certain of what to do.

Nevfeniel · 09-03-2002, 08:00 PM

But he said don't use it again, didn't he? Could someone please refresh my memory and tell if Frodo actually had used it before then? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Gimli Son Of Gloin · 09-03-2002, 08:54 PM

Frodo never used the Ring until The Prancing Pony, and that was purely accidental. Gandalf knew magic rings were very rare and powerful tools, and he was suspicious of the One Ring. He didn't want anything to happen until he knew what it was.

Tirned Tinnu · 09-06-2002, 01:41 PM

Gandalf would have guessed, as I would, that curiousity would get into Frodo, and he would try it at least once.
But I tsk tsk all of you! Don't you remember, Frodo put on the Ring in Tom Bombadil's house! (Before the Prancing Pony, and with sure and purposeful intent.)
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bombur · 09-07-2002, 02:28 AM

Actually Gandalf first had a hunch of what the ring might be, at the Bilbos birthday party. He went away to check on it. He told Frodo to keep it safe and keep it secret. Years passed before his return and warning.

Gandalf simply assumed Frodo to have used it in the years between in the same manner Bilbo had... up to and including avoiding random encounters with Lobelia.

After all why would Frodo not have?

Would it have kept Frodo young if it had just laid on the bottom of a chest in the livingroom?

Janne Harju

09-02-2002, 01:51 PM	#2
Eol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Pacific Northwest - Tir Nan Og Posts: 306	Gandolf did know to an exstent as he knew how powerful that ring was. He may have sensed its power being used. Or it could have been intuition. __________________ Mes sana in corpec sano- (lt.) A sound mind in a sound body

09-02-2002, 01:56 PM	#3
Durialion Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 42	I agree he may of hiad an hunch of the power and danger so that is what i think. __________________ Durialion the High Elf "I wish the ring had never come to me and this adventure had never happened." Frodo "So do all who live to see these times, but you have to decide what to do when the time comes." Gandalf

09-02-2002, 02:49 PM	#5
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 392	For one thing, Gandalf knew for sure that Bilbo had been using the ring, and so he could advise Frodo not to repeat the same foolisness. And then, Gandalf himself was wearing one of the Rings of Power, so he probably could sense when the One was being 'activated' __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...

09-03-2002, 08:21 AM	#8
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	You also must relize that Gandalf was frightened of the rings power. Enough that he didn't want to touch it. Being in this paranoid state he didn't want Frodo to do anything with the ring untill he was certain of what to do. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

09-03-2002, 08:00 PM	#9
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	But he said don't use it again, didn't he? Could someone please refresh my memory and tell if Frodo actually had used it before then? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.

09-02-2002, 02:12 PM	#4
Sorcress-Yume Guest Posts: n/a	Gandalf is phsycic... its a wizard thing they can since the happenings of friends. u would know if u were one looks around nervously but Gandalf is Gandalf u cant explain things about him much. i want his hat i really like it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

09-02-2002, 03:50 PM	#6
Ravenna Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: witney, oxfordshire Posts: 70	If memory serves, that wa from the letter given to frodo at the Prancing Pony, which means it was written, after Gandalf had discovered the writing on the ring and what it really was, so warning Frodo not to use it seems only sensible, likewise, knowing it was the ring and that Sauron was likely to be seeking it, the warning not to travel at night, is afain common sense,a s evil beings were more likely to attack under cover of darkness than in broad daylight, especially if Gandalf suspected that the Nazgul were once more abroad in the world.

09-03-2002, 08:07 AM	#7
O'Boile Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 117	I think Gandalf guessed about Frodo maybe using it. The letter was written several months before Frodo had set out... in fact, I'm sure that Frodo did not use the ring between when he last talked to Gandalf and when Gandalf wrote the letter. Gandalf probably assumed that Frodo would by the time he got it. Even if he hadn't used the ring, it still makes sense as a reminder.

09-03-2002, 08:54 PM	#10
Gimli Son Of Gloin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Halls of Montezuma, and the Shores of Tripoli Posts: 495	Frodo never used the Ring until The Prancing Pony, and that was purely accidental. Gandalf knew magic rings were very rare and powerful tools, and he was suspicious of the One Ring. He didn't want anything to happen until he knew what it was. __________________ The Few, the Proud, the Marines.

09-06-2002, 01:41 PM	#11
Tirned Tinnu Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Patchogue NY Posts: 158	Gandalf would have guessed, as I would, that curiousity would get into Frodo, and he would try it at least once. But I tsk tsk all of you! Don't you remember, Frodo put on the Ring in Tom Bombadil's house! (Before the Prancing Pony, and with sure and purposeful intent.) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ 'Perilous indeed,' said Aragorn, 'fair and perilous; but only evil need fear it, or those who bring some evil with them. Follow me!'

09-07-2002, 02:28 AM	#12
bombur Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: finland Posts: 126	Actually Gandalf first had a hunch of what the ring might be, at the Bilbos birthday party. He went away to check on it. He told Frodo to keep it safe and keep it secret. Years passed before his return and warning. Gandalf simply assumed Frodo to have used it in the years between in the same manner Bilbo had... up to and including avoiding random encounters with Lobelia. After all why would Frodo not have? Would it have kept Frodo young if it had just laid on the bottom of a chest in the livingroom? Janne Harju