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bryniana · 01-26-2002, 03:23 AM

currently i am reading Book of Lost Tales I. I have become confused as to if in fact gnomes and elves are one in the same or not. It seems to waver back and forth on this issue--and even the notes seem to waver. Does anyone have the definitive answear on this?

Orald · 01-26-2002, 03:39 AM

In Book of Lost Tales, and a few others, Gnomes refers to the Noldor, a specific group of elves. I think it is pretty obvious that it was abandoned for the term Noldor.

Inziladun · 01-26-2002, 08:00 AM

I think Tolkien considered 'Gnomes' would in the mind of the modern reader have had a more negative fairy-tale connotation than 'Elves'. He took pains to elevate his work above that of the standard 'fairie story'.

Eldar14 · 01-26-2002, 11:38 AM

On some page in HoME 1 there is a little chart thingy that seems to state pretty clearly the name-changes Tolkien made for the different groups of the Quendi (elves)

[ January 26, 2002: Message edited by: Eldar14 ]

01-26-2002, 03:23 AM	#1
bryniana Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11	gnomes/elves currently i am reading Book of Lost Tales I. I have become confused as to if in fact gnomes and elves are one in the same or not. It seems to waver back and forth on this issue--and even the notes seem to waver. Does anyone have the definitive answear on this?

01-26-2002, 08:00 AM	#3
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,034	I think Tolkien considered 'Gnomes' would in the mind of the modern reader have had a more negative fairy-tale connotation than 'Elves'. He took pains to elevate his work above that of the standard 'fairie story'. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

01-26-2002, 11:38 AM	#4
Eldar14 Wight Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: the Cottage of Lost Play Posts: 182	On some page in HoME 1 there is a little chart thingy that seems to state pretty clearly the name-changes Tolkien made for the different groups of the Quendi (elves) [ January 26, 2002: Message edited by: Eldar14 ] __________________ "Come away! Let the cowards keep this city!" -- Fëanor to the Noldor

01-26-2002, 03:39 AM	#2
Orald Shadow of Malice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: right behind you Posts: 843	In Book of Lost Tales, and a few others, Gnomes refers to the Noldor, a specific group of elves. I think it is pretty obvious that it was abandoned for the term Noldor.