Betcha didn't know that Sauron is secretly a catfish/Azazel/some dead king - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Encaitare · 12-31-2006, 01:07 PM

AKA these people are crazy.

The LotR-related part is is a little way down the page, so just scroll until you find it. Though if you're in need of some giggles, by all means, read on.

(Hope this hasn't been posted before...)

Rikae · 12-31-2006, 02:59 PM

Heh...they seem to get all their LOTR lore from the movies (or at least view the movies as authoritative)- Gollum eating catfish, and Sauron as a "flaming red eye".

High King Fingolfin · 12-31-2006, 02:59 PM

Now that isn't something I ever expected to see. What was all that junk about Sauron holding his arms up with a mace? It was so ridiculous, I laughed hysterically all the way through. Do these people think Tolkien was some sort of a prophet? Some people really need to increase their daily dose of reality.

Formendacil · 12-31-2006, 05:11 PM

Shoddy scholarship, shoddy scholarship... What is this rubbish about Sauron taking the form of a giant, flaming eyeball after his defeat in the Last Alliance?

Never mind the REST of it...

Rikae · 12-31-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by High King Fingolfin

Do these people think Tolkien was some sort of a prophet? Some people really need to increase their daily dose of reality.

*cough* choke*sputter*

The Might · 12-31-2006, 08:50 PM

once I read that Sauron means the Abomination I immediately closed the tab

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-01-2007, 03:14 AM

I didn't even bother to read it from start. Just glimpses of sentences... I think I might start to vomit.

Forgive them, Sauron, because they don't know what they are doing!

Lalwendë · 01-01-2007, 07:05 AM

Argh! We're all going to die!

At long last, a Da Vinci code-style conspiracy theory involving Tolkien!

I love things like this, especially when they try to tie in something I know about and I can wreck all their theories. But what a surprise, yet another Freemasons = Evil theory, when the masons are mostly just a bunch of men who meet up for drinks. I suppose someone never got invited to join...

I read an investigation by The New Statesman about ten years ago which revealed many of these types of theorists are involved with anti-semitic movements, so exercise some caution before ever being taken in!

Otherwise, very amusing indeed!

Oddwen · 01-01-2007, 11:35 AM

Heh...no, Tolkien didn't prophesy the end of the world, PJ did. Ergo,

Tolkien /= end of the world
PJ = end of the world
Sauron /= Azazel
PJ = catfish
catfish = Azazel
azazel= PJ

Bêthberry · 01-01-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

But what a surprise, yet another Freemasons = Evil theory, when the masons are mostly just a bunch of men who meet up for drinks. I suppose someone never got invited to join...

I read an investigation by The New Statesman about ten years ago which revealed many of these types of theorists are involved with anti-semitic movements, so exercise some caution before ever being taken in!

Otherwise, very amusing indeed!

Well, the Masons aren't quite so innocent as a buncha guys just tossing back a few beer. While originally in the 18th they associated themselves heroically with the rising cult of reason/rationality and were declared hostile by organised religion (Catholics were not allowed to join), they had their own quirks about membership. At one point, Blacks could not join and women still are not allowed-- at least weren't about ten years ago.

American money is full of masonic iconographic images and many of the movers and shakers of the American Insurrection were Masons. While it is true that they do fundraising for charitable ventures, and while it does largely sound like Boy Scouts for Guys Who Be Grown Up, because it is a "Secret Society" it naturally raises the question of how they operate in a democracy. (The Shriners are high order Masons and look at their costumes and riding around in little toy bikes.)

There really are secret handshakes, secret aprons and clothes, secret oaths, and "ladders" of status where da guys learn more and more of their arcane rituals. Any guy who spills the beans is shunned--kicked out of the organisation.

Europe is rife with histories of secret societies which just can't resist letting the secrecy slip a little. Silly boys. But they make a hoot of a target.

Mithalwen · 01-01-2007, 12:40 PM

That is very true Bethberry, there was a bit of a fuss a few years age here when it was discovered that many senior police and judges were masons .. of course they do a lot of charity stuf but the secrecey and "other loyalties" were issues...

01-20-2007, 01:12 PM

HIM? a fallen ANGEL! Once an ANGEL?!being a christian, that is a scary thought. In a way it sort of makes sense. And no, I am not crazy... I think.

the guy who be short · 01-22-2007, 08:07 AM

I fail to see the joke. Before insulting these people, please read everything they write from beginning to end. I promise, it does all make sense. I fear for the future of this world...

Just kidding, of course! My favourite part:

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The "Two Towers" featured prominently in LOTR are an allusion to the two pillars to which Azazel was chained as punishment for corrupting the world before the Flood, and of the two tower hieroglyphs in Narmer's serekh shown symbolically imprisoning the catfish. The destruction (or conquest) of these towers in LOTR was a warning that two towers would be destroyed in the near future by Azazel as part of the last stage of his freeing himself from his prison right before his takeover of the whole world.

Right. Destruction of two towers. Because that happens.

Where's Morgoth anyway?

Great read though.

I laughed all the way through.

Gandalf_the _white · 01-28-2007, 07:42 PM

Well that was *cough* interesting to say the least!

Apparently Sauron is a catfish king?

Whatever next?!

***Thenamir*** · 01-29-2007, 04:12 PM

But...But...donesn't everyone see the direct parallel between the flaming eye atop the Barad Dur and the Eye of Horus atop the great pyramid? How could you miss it!

12-31-2006, 01:07 PM	#1
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Betcha didn't know that Sauron is secretly a catfish/Azazel/some dead king AKA these people are crazy. The LotR-related part is is a little way down the page, so just scroll until you find it. Though if you're in need of some giggles, by all means, read on. (Hope this hasn't been posted before...)

12-31-2006, 02:59 PM	#3
High King Fingolfin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the Wargs thrive, a.k.a. Madison, WI Posts: 437	Now that isn't something I ever expected to see. What was all that junk about Sauron holding his arms up with a mace? It was so ridiculous, I laughed hysterically all the way through. Do these people think Tolkien was some sort of a prophet? Some people really need to increase their daily dose of reality. __________________ "Outside of a Warg, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a Warg, it's too dark to read." - Wargo Marx

12-31-2006, 05:11 PM	#4
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,311	Shoddy scholarship, shoddy scholarship... What is this rubbish about Sauron taking the form of a giant, flaming eyeball after his defeat in the Last Alliance? Never mind the REST of it... __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

12-31-2006, 08:50 PM	#6
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	once I read that Sauron means the Abomination I immediately closed the tab __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-01-2007, 03:14 AM	#7
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	I didn't even bother to read it from start. Just glimpses of sentences... I think I might start to vomit. Forgive them, Sauron, because they don't know what they are doing! __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-31-2006, 02:59 PM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Heh...they seem to get all their LOTR lore from the movies (or at least view the movies as authoritative)- Gollum eating catfish, and Sauron as a "flaming red eye".

01-01-2007, 07:05 AM	#8
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	Argh! We're all going to die! At long last, a Da Vinci code-style conspiracy theory involving Tolkien! I love things like this, especially when they try to tie in something I know about and I can wreck all their theories. But what a surprise, yet another Freemasons = Evil theory, when the masons are mostly just a bunch of men who meet up for drinks. I suppose someone never got invited to join... I read an investigation by The New Statesman about ten years ago which revealed many of these types of theorists are involved with anti-semitic movements, so exercise some caution before ever being taken in! Otherwise, very amusing indeed! __________________ Gordon's alive!

01-01-2007, 11:35 AM	#9
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,126	Heh...no, Tolkien didn't prophesy the end of the world, PJ did. Ergo, Tolkien /= end of the world PJ = end of the world Sauron /= Azazel PJ = catfish catfish = Azazel azazel= PJ __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

01-01-2007, 12:40 PM	#11
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,449	That is very true Bethberry, there was a bit of a fuss a few years age here when it was discovered that many senior police and judges were masons .. of course they do a lot of charity stuf but the secrecey and "other loyalties" were issues... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-20-2007, 01:12 PM	#12
Sadreen Guest Posts: n/a	HIM? a fallen ANGEL! Once an ANGEL?!being a christian, that is a scary thought. In a way it sort of makes sense. And no, I am not crazy... I think.

01-28-2007, 07:42 PM	#14
Gandalf_the _white Wight Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In crazy captions waving an angry fist at the outside world Posts: 155	Well that was cough interesting to say the least! Apparently Sauron is a catfish king? Whatever next?!

01-29-2007, 04:12 PM	#15
*Thenamir* Spectre of Capitalism Join Date: May 2001 Location: Battling evil bureaucrats at Zeta Aquilae Posts: 985	It's SO Obvious! But...But...donesn't everyone see the direct parallel between the flaming eye atop the Barad Dur and the Eye of Horus atop the great pyramid? How could you miss it! __________________ The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~~ Marcus Aurelius