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Old 09-09-2000, 12:55 PM   #1
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<BR>Continuing our discussion of how to adapt the books:<br> <br> In “The Shadow of the Past” we have another chapter that is <u>loaded</u> with info. Although I must admit that Gandalf tells Frodo much more of the Ring’s history than I had previously recalled. I thought we had to wait until the Council to get some solid info. There is so much important information in this chapter.<br> <br> I see several problems. One is, how do we effectively convey the passage of time? This chapter takes place, if I’m not mistaken, twelve years after Bilbo’s party. Yet the scene is reminiscent of the one we just saw – Gandalf and a hobbit, discussing the Ring, in Bag End. Again, I feel the need for some device to help us quickly summarize all of this information. I feel more strongly than ever that we will need a narrator, and I’ll bet that Bilbo is our man. You don’t hire Ian Holm as Bilbo for just a few scenes in Rivendell, do you? No! You put him to work as your Narrator. Also, the fact that PJ has cast an actor to play Gil-Galad gives me cause for some speculation. Is it possible that he may choose to begin the story on a more mythic note? Open with the Battle of Dagorlad, follow Isildur’s demise along the banks of the Anduin, and then move into the story of the LOTR proper? I can’t imagine we’ll have two long, virtually back-to-back scenes of Gandalf and a hobbit talking in Bag End. <br> <br> So here’s what we need to accomplish:<br> <br> 1) Reveal the true nature and some of the history of the Ring.<br> 2) Set up the conflict – Sauron is seeking, time is short, Frodo has been chosen by fate and must bear the Ring away from the Shire.<br> 3) Introduce Sam and include him in the quest.<br> <br> Perhaps we can bridge the scenes from the first chapter to this one with a montage/voice-over which follows Gandalf’s adventures in seeking and finding Gollum. <br> <br> Most important image: the fiery letters revealed on the Ring.<br> <br> Great moment: Frodo attempting to toss the ring into the fire, only to find that he’s put it back into his pocket instead. <br> <br> What say ye?<br> <p></p>
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Old 09-09-2000, 04:44 PM   #2
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<BR> Re: Bk1, Ch2, Shadow of the Past -- The Movie</b><br><br> They have filmed the Last Alliance and I think that they will move parts of this chapter to the beginning of the movie.<br> <br> E! Online suggests Sam as the Narrator in the movies.. <p><HR> "You cannot pass. I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor." <br> Usually guarding <a href="http://www.theoldforest.cjb.net">The Old Forest website</a>.<br> Walk into the mystical Forest, find everything you need about Tolkien,<br> or about the new Lord of the Rings movies.<br> Feel welcome to the ezBoard of the Old Forest, <a href="http://pub9.ezboard.com/btheoldforest29887">The Bonfire Glade</a>.<br> A place for discussions with other Tolkien fans about almost everything.</p></p>
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Old 09-09-2000, 06:57 PM   #3
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<BR> Re: Bk1, Ch2, Shadow of the Past -- The Movie</b><br><br> Chapter 2 would seem the appropriate place to show the history of the Ring and the Last Alliance! <p>The Barrow-Wight (RKittle)<br> I usually haunt <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">The Barrow-Downs</a> and The Barrow-Downs <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi">Middle-Earth Discussion Board</a>.</p>
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Old 09-10-2000, 04:03 AM   #4
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<BR> Re: Bk1, Ch2, Shadow of the Past -- The Movie</b><br><br> Yep, I agree, but I have a feeling that they will begin like in the B. animated version...but who knows... <p><HR> "You cannot pass. I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor." <br> Usually guarding <a href="http://www.theoldforest.cjb.net">The Old Forest website</a>.<br> Walk into the mystical Forest, find everything you need about Tolkien,<br> or about the new Lord of the Rings movies.<br> Feel welcome to the ezBoard of the Old Forest, <a href="http://pub9.ezboard.com/btheoldforest29887">The Bonfire Glade</a>.<br> A place for discussions with other Tolkien fans about almost everything.</p></p>
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Old 10-31-2000, 10:36 AM   #5
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<BR> re</b><br><br> does anyone of you remember gandalf in the cartoon version ?<br> in the &quot;shadow of the past&quot; scene he actually says the words that are inscribed on the ring! MAN! that really upset me <br> that was really bad work , i mean gandalf nearly had to give an excuse when he uttered those words in imladris. and then in the cartoon he utters them in frodos house and by night!<br> sorry but all those postings about the shadow of the past brought that back to my mind<br> what do you think of that terrible mistake? <p></p>
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Old 10-31-2000, 02:02 PM   #6
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<BR> Re: re</b><br><br> Yes, that was just plain stupid.<br> Nevertheless was this scene still one of the few better ones in the movie; Gandalf really looked menacing- <p><h6> By showing our resistance to the people, we kindle the fire within the people. </h6></p>
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Hey check me out -- I made some pretty good predictions on structure up there. I still think Ian Holm would have made a great narrator...
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