Question about Gandalf's Staff (please help) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Armetiel · 01-19-2004, 02:37 PM

In the movie Saruman took Gandalf's staff when Gandalf just before trapping Gandalf on Orthanc, but then Gandalf has it back when they leave Rivendell...So how did he get it back...(picures the following scenario in her mind)Gandalf goes back to Isengard after escaping and rings the doorbell"Umm, Saruman, would you mind giving me my staff back? I just may need it."or how's this scenario..Gandalf: Listen Saruman, I'm going to escape in a second by leaping onto Gwaihir, and I was just wondering if before I go, I could have my staff, we'll consider it my parting gift.Hmmmm...nope, sorry, I don't see this happening...Or perhaps he had a new staff, and if so where did he get it, I don't remember seeing any shops in Middle-earth.(as for his white staff when he turns white later on, i don't know where that came from either, but I'll just stick to my idea that it's a reincarnation of his grey staff...now if only i knew how he got the grey staff returned lol)

Oroaranion · 01-19-2004, 02:43 PM

I can (sort of) explain how he got his white stick. When he died, he was reborn into a different, but very similar body. He went to Lothlorien, where Galadriel clothed him and most likely gave him the staff that had probably already been prepared for him.

Armetiel · 01-19-2004, 02:44 PM

^yeh, the white staff I wasn't overly confused about, it's just the grey one that I'm having difficulties seeing him gettnig ahold of it

Firefoot · 01-19-2004, 02:47 PM

That would appear to be one of the things that PJ didn't think out when they did the movie. It doesn't say anything about Saruman taking Gandalf's staff in the book. I don't know how he got it back; it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Armetiel · 01-19-2004, 05:40 PM

^yeh, i know it didn't happen in the book, makes me wonder why PJ even put that into the movie when it really doesn't make any sense..(at least not to me lol) ...so I guess we just assume that Saruman has a good side and gave it back jk

HCIsland · 01-19-2004, 07:50 PM

If you look closely at his staff before and after Isengard, you will notice that they are different.H.C.

Knight of Gondor · 01-19-2004, 09:37 PM

Yes, we never know quite how Gandalf got a "spare" staff...or if he has any more hidden in that tall hat of his. But the first one has a slot for his pipe to slide into. The second one is different. The third was no doubt a gift to him from Lothlorien. Allow me to once again assert my comedic version of Gandalf being dropped of by the eagle: *Gandalf, still naked, tiptoes behind a huge Mallorn tree, just in time to duck some Elf-maids walking past* Gandalf: PSSSSSSSSSST! Haldir!!!!! Throw me that rug!

Beanamir of Gondor · 01-20-2004, 08:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If you look closely at his staff before and after Isengard, you will notice they are different. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is his pipe still in it after Isengard? Because I didn't pay attention until later in the movie, when he stuck the crystal into it, in Moria. Or is it diff because it's changed? Confused.

01-19-2004, 02:37 PM	#1
Armetiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 74	Question about Gandalf's Staff (please help) In the movie Saruman took Gandalf's staff when Gandalf just before trapping Gandalf on Orthanc, but then Gandalf has it back when they leave Rivendell...So how did he get it back...<P>(picures the following scenario in her mind)<P>Gandalf goes back to Isengard after escaping and rings the doorbell<P>"Umm, Saruman, would you mind giving me my staff back? I just may need it."<P>or how's this scenario..<P>Gandalf: Listen Saruman, I'm going to escape in a second by leaping onto Gwaihir, and I was just wondering if before I go, I could have my staff, we'll consider it my parting gift.<P>Hmmmm...nope, sorry, I don't see this happening...<P>Or perhaps he had a new staff, and if so where did he get it, I don't remember seeing any shops in Middle-earth.<P>(as for his white staff when he turns white later on, i don't know where that came from either, but I'll just stick to my idea that it's a reincarnation of his grey staff...now if only i knew how he got the grey staff returned lol) __________________ "Love the Lord with all your heart, with all your strength, and with all your soul." Deuteronomy 6:5

01-19-2004, 02:43 PM	#2
Oroaranion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dol Amroth Posts: 94	I can (sort of) explain how he got his white stick. When he died, he was reborn into a different, but very similar body. He went to Lothlorien, where Galadriel clothed him and most likely gave him the staff that had probably already been prepared for him. __________________ I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

01-19-2004, 02:44 PM	#3
Armetiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 74	^yeh, the white staff I wasn't overly confused about, it's just the grey one that I'm having difficulties seeing him gettnig ahold of it __________________ "Love the Lord with all your heart, with all your strength, and with all your soul." Deuteronomy 6:5

01-19-2004, 05:40 PM	#5
Armetiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 74	^yeh, i know it didn't happen in the book, makes me wonder why PJ even put that into the movie when it really doesn't make any sense..(at least not to me lol) ...so I guess we just assume that Saruman has a good side and gave it back jk __________________ "Love the Lord with all your heart, with all your strength, and with all your soul." Deuteronomy 6:5

01-19-2004, 07:50 PM	#6
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	If you look closely at his staff before and after Isengard, you will notice that they are different.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-19-2004, 02:47 PM	#4
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,646	That would appear to be one of the things that PJ didn't think out when they did the movie. It doesn't say anything about Saruman taking Gandalf's staff in the book. I don't know how he got it back; it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

01-19-2004, 09:37 PM	#7
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Yes, we never know quite how Gandalf got a "spare" staff...or if he has any more hidden in that tall hat of his. <P>But the first one has a slot for his pipe to slide into. The second one is different. The third was no doubt a gift to him from Lothlorien. Allow me to once again assert my comedic version of Gandalf being dropped of by the eagle: Gandalf, still naked, tiptoes behind a huge Mallorn tree, just in time to duck some Elf-maids walking past <P>Gandalf: PSSSSSSSSSST! Haldir!!!!! Throw me that rug! __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-20-2004, 08:21 AM	#8
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If you look closely at his staff before and after Isengard, you will notice they are different. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Is his pipe still in it after Isengard? Because I didn't pay attention until later in the movie, when he stuck the crystal into it, in Moria.<BR>Or is it diff because it's changed?<BR>Confused. __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."