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Beren and Lùthien to be published as stand alone volume
Though not as single narrative.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/wha...ished-in-2017/
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Nice! A definite addition to my Tolkien collection.
I hope that doesn't provide more of an impetus for PJ or his ilk to capitalize on a film version though, ![]()
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My reaction is a bit ambivalent.
I was disappointed by Kullervo and I think that release gave me a bit of a sour taste of releasing more of Tolkien's obscure work. I hope there is some new information and not just a rehash of the information that has already been published in other works. I know, I know. I'll turn in my fan card at the door.
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From the description, it sounds like "History of the Tale of Beren and Luthien." It almost sounds as if there will be no material that has not been published previously.
{Edit} From the AFP report: "For the book the tale of lovers Beren and Lúthien was extracted from "The History of Middle-earth", a 12-volume series of works that collected and analyzed material relating to Tolkien's work, compiled and edited by his son Christopher Tolkien." "Christopher Tolkien has edited the new work and presented together for the first time Tolkien's original text as well as passages from later texts that rework the tale."
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Sounds like what CT did for The Children of Húrin, melding different versions of the story together. I'm still likely to buy it, just as I did CoH.
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Perhaps that is exactly why C. Tolkien is releasing this book and thus prolonging the copyright to the entire compilation of Beren and Luthien stories. Thus the estate's lawyers can ensure Jackson or whomever doesn't try to dip into the story.
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That being said, I am trash and I will most certainly be buying this book.
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Thanks for posting this news, Mithalwen.
While I'm a little ambivalent, like Kuruharan, having bought The Children of Húrin, I probably will buy this one too. ![]() I was interested in what you had to say about copyright, Morthoron. ![]() I've already posted this elsewhere; but the link below gives an amusing (or worse) idea about what Peter Jackson adapting The Silmarillion might look and sound like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFMwOu8_jsE |
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I too am expecting this to look a lot like The Children of Húrin--and as far as that expectation goes, I'm actually rather looking forward to it. Not that it would actually provide us with any new material--any expectation along those lines seems doomed to disappointment even if there ARE (as I incline to doubt) tidbits not previously seen before.
No, the reason I am would enjoy a Children of Húrin-esque "Beren and Lúthien" is because I think that volume did a good job of bringing one of the Tales of the First Age out of the realm of the Scholarly into the view of a general audience. Though The Silmarillion lacks the scholarly apparatus of the HoME, it is quite the first-time challenge to a reader: the prose is heightened and unusual, the plot is diffused by being a general history, and keeping track of so many characters is difficult. The succession of Unfinished Tales and the HoME only pushed ahead the idea that Tolkien's posthumous works are dry and only for the arch-fans. My memory of things is that The Children of Húrin changed this--if only a little--and I think that "Beren and Lúthien" is even better suited to this treatment than "Túrin" was. As a reader myself who knows the complete legendarium, I like the idea of being able to pull out a single volume when I want to read a single tale. So I'm happy enough (though definitely aware we're looking at another moneymaking enterprise for HarperCollins and the Tolkien Estate) if that's what the project turns out to be, but I think it important to set expectations accordingly.
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Like Formy, I enjoyed CoH because it condensed many drafts of one story into one easy to digest volume. I had a hard time with all of the different versions of the story because none of them really felt finished, if you understand what I mean. The whole story was there in pieces before, but then we got one really nice volume. I remember reading the whole book on a peaceful Saturday afternoon and really enjoying it. I expect to have a similar experience with this new book.
As a bonus, my boyfriend has already promised to buy it for me! So that's really nice. ![]()
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I bought CoH in paperback. Did I enjoy it? It's so sad... Do I enjoy any tragedy?? But this is different, I think. I have read the various peices, and was always sad when they abruptly end unfinished (his poetry is SO good) and ... Well, this is about LUTHIEN TINUVIEL and Beren Erchamion... (Would I buy a book solely about Galadriel, even though it was just a reorganization? You bet.) I think I will buy this in hardcover, and relish it, and read it with my toes toward the fireplace and perhaps a drink at my elbow, in awe of the whole concept of sub-creation and myth making.
One of the greatest elves in the history of Arda... Yes, I am excited about this book. <3 Cheers, Professor, and cheers to your son as well. And thanks.
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I don't know that I will but it as it is my least favourite story of all (I really love Finrod and he gets dedded for THEM grrr) and I have all of HoME etc -also my special edition CoH has barely left its slipcase lest I spoil its beauty by reading it -but I think there is a place for this sort of thing for those who would be daunted by HoME or just want everything on a favourite story in one place.. now if it were the fall of Gondolin...
For me, the best part of it is actually that Christopher is clearly still going on pretty well and I salute him for putting what time he has left into this kind of thing when he could have signed a few licensing agreements and spent the past 45 years basking in the sun and drinking wine... I do think his diligence as an editor may have spoilt me for other authors... while most of my Tolkien is in store I have been reading other things including rereading other beloved books of my childhood and realise that such consistency is far from universal.
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I can understand the wanting more. Unfinished Tales is my favourite volume though of course it is rather dependent on the earlier works.
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I have similar problems with reading HoME. I do find the evolution of the different tekst and stories fascinating, but it can be difficult to keep track of the different endings and such.
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I found the headline here amusing:
Lord of the Rings Spinoff Beren and Lúthien to Be Published in 2017
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Well, it is not even a single coherent narrative...
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There, there, Nerwen.... This isn't like you... I have been away too long...
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It is, I suppose, in a way a small version of an idea I suggested to him but which he didn't like, to put out a sort of Unfinished Tales II or HME Reader which covers just the more significant narratives- the A-text of B&L, the Wanderings of Hurin and so on.
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I think what I would most like is an expanded or second volume of letters. There must be a lot of stuff omitted originally because it pertained to then unpublished material....that and whatever Tolkien fils knows about because Tolkien pere told him but hasn't been revealed because he doesn't have it on paper...
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Ahem, I'll back down. I don't mean to start a fight, now.
As for what Mith said, I don't have the first volume of letters, but I'd love to get it. Maybe since the Beren and Luthien story that's coming out is going to have notes in it, we could get some letters too in that volume?
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Publisher's blurb FAIL
I mean, really. Don't the PR people even read the books they're shilling?
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A "sponsored" post just came up on my Facebook News Feed describing this forthcoming publication as a 'Lord of the Rings spinoff'.
As incorrect as that description is, what was more bizarre were the numerous comments accompanying the post, in which many people didn't realise it was a literary publication and assumed that another film was being made. It's a bit sad that some people can't conceive of the work as anything other than a film franchise now. People are strange.
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