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Old 01-09-2001, 04:34 PM   #1
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According to information gleaned from Myths Transformed. Note: This also incorporates the Valian 144 Sun Year conversion as presented in MT until the construction of the new Sun and Moon, from which point thenon it is measured in ME sun Years.

Valinór Yénie

The Elder Days

Before Time

The Valar, Maiar and Melkor
enter Ea from the void,
Ordering of Arda

1
Construction of Valinór,
Assault on Áren of the Sun,
Dome of Varda devised,
Tulkas enters Arda,
Melkor departs Arda

1500
Lamps of Valinór are constructed

1900
Melkor re-enters Arda,
Melkor devises the Great Clouds,
The Great Clouds are dispersed,
Melkor departs Arda and gathers his Úmaiar

3400
Melkor re-enters Arda,
Utumno constructed

3450
The Lamps of Valinór are destroyed,
The Moon is constructed,
Melkor departs Arda

3500
The Two Trees grown in Valinór

Time of the Trees begins

1
Valarauko appear,
Ork race bred from beasts and Maiar

1000
Council of the Valar,
Varda creates the Great Stars

1040
Melkor re-enters Arda

1043
Melkor again clouds the Earth

1050
Varda creates the Constellations,
Manwë drives back the clouds,
Elves awake in Cuiviénen,
Melian enters Beleriand

1080
Melkor discovers the Elves,
Orks assail the Elves

1085
Oromë discovers the Elves

1086
Oromë returns to Valinór

1090
Valar prepare to assail Utumno,
The Great Rains,
Men awake on isle of Palisor in Hildorien,
Melkor discovers Men

1091
The Great Fall of Men

1092
Siege of Utumno begins

1099
Siege of Utumno ends

1100
Melkor chained

1101
Elves summoned to Valinór

1102
First ambassadors arrive in Valinór

1104
Ambassadors return to Cuiviénen

1105
1st sundering of the Elves at Cuiviénen

1110
2d sundering of the Elves at Anduin

1115
Vanyar and Ñoldor enter Beleriand

1128
Teleri enter Beleriand

1130
Elwë meets Melian

1132
Vanyar and Ñoldor embark on Eressëa

1133
Vanyar and Ñoldor enter Valinór

1140
Tirion constructed
Ingwë and the Vanyar begin to remove to Taniquentil

1142
White Tree of Galathilion given to Ñoldor

1149
Ossë teaches the Teleri shipcraft

1150
Teleri embark upon Eressëa from Beleriand

1151
Teleri remain on Eressëa

1152
Elwë becomes King of Elves in Beleriand

1161
Teleri have Eressëa drawn near to Valinór

1162
Alqualondë constructed

1165
Vanyar complete the move to Taniquentil,
Orks now bred with Men

1169
Faenor born

1170
Míriel falls asleep and passes on to Mandos

1172
Doom of Manwë announced concerning
espousals of the Eldar,
Death of Míriel

1179
Rumil creates the Tengwar

1185
Finwë weds Indis of the Vanyar

1190
Ñolofinwë born

1200
Lúthien born

1230
Arafinwë born

1250
Faenor creates the Cirth,
Dwarves enter Beleriand

1280
Arafinwë weds Eärwen,
Findekáno born

1300
Turukáno born,
Findaráto born,
Menegroth begins construction,
Daeron the loremaster of Thingol
contrives the Runes

1320
The Orks first appear in West Beleriand,
Dwarves and Thingol meet

1330
The Orks first appear in East Beleriand

1350
Green Elves enter Beleriand,
Menegroth completed

1362
Alatáriel born,
Írissë born

1400
Morgoth released from bondage

1410
Morgoth befriends the Ñoldor

1449
Faenor begins constructing the Silmarils

1450
Faenor completes the Silmarils,
Melkor begins the dissention of the Ñoldor

1469
Itarillë born

1490
Faenor banned from Tirion

1492
Morgoth slays Finwë and steals the Silmarils

1495
Morgoth destroys the Two Trees,
1st Kinslaying at Alqalondë,
Alatáriel and Teleporno sail to Middle-Earth

Time of the Trees ends,
Time now counted in Sun years
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1496
Doom and Prophecy of Mandos

1497
Faenor abandons the Ñoldor of Nolofinwë,
Faenor and sons enters Beleriand,
Death of Ambarussa-Umbarto,
First Battle of Beleriand,
Death of Denethor,
Dagor Nuin-Giliath,
Death of Faenor,
Maedron captured

1498
Maedron imprisoned upon Thangorodrim

1500
Creation of the new
Moon and Sun for Valinór,
Ñoldor of Nolofinwë enter Beleriand

End of The Elder Days

I will submit a proposed 1st Age TOY after this has been addressed.


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Old 01-09-2001, 06:01 PM   #2
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Re: A proposed brief TOY

Not so brief. <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> Hard work pays off. I need to look at it in depth but it appears faithful to JRRT's MT/Sil. conceptions. Suggestion, most who have not read HoME (more than 95% of JRRT afficianados?) will not recognize the quenya names of the sons of Feanor, his half-brothers and their children. Inserting sindarin names would help the readability.

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Old 01-09-2001, 08:02 PM   #3
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Re: A proposed brief TOY

Sounds good, this is sticking mostly to HoME i presume. To Mithadan, I have only read I, II, and some of The Lost Road, and I undertand what Saulotus is tryng to say.

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Old 01-09-2001, 08:06 PM   #4
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Re: A proposed brief TOY

I suppose the Sindarin would help; yeah.
It was a simple cut and paste job from work I had done previously, and are my private copies.

Since this is not exactly a direct quotation situation concerning text, but a hand-made brief compilation, I felt that this at least could be submitted here without much problem.

And yes; it is brief, as the actual TOY contains much more detailed information. <img src=wink.gif ALT="">

Please; hack away at it. That's what it was put here for, either to demolish it, or to build upon.

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Old 01-10-2001, 01:53 AM   #5
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Re: A proposed brief TOY

I second he vote for sindarin [ maybe in parenthesis] names for the noldor [although it was good mental exercise to do the conversion myself.

Other than that I am qualified only to be silent as it raises issues I have not pondered on at all [except for the brief exchange awhile ago on the downs.

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Old 01-10-2001, 03:18 AM   #6
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A proposed brief TOY [re-submitted with S. aid]

Valinór Yénie {Annals of Valinor]

The Elder Days

Before Time

The Valar, Maiar and Melkor
enter Ea from the void,
Ordering of Arda

1
Construction of Valinór,
Assault on Áren of the Sun,
Dome of Varda devised,
Tulkas enters Arda,
Melkor departs Arda

1500
Lamps of Valinór are constructed

1900
Melkor re-enters Arda,
Melkor devises the Great Clouds,
The Great Clouds are dispersed,
Melkor departs Arda and gathers his Úmaiar

3400
Melkor re-enters Arda,
Utumno constructed

3450
The Lamps of Valinór are destroyed,
The Moon is constructed,
Melkor departs Arda

3500
The Two Trees grown in Valinór

Time of the Trees begins

1
Valarauko appear, [Balrogs]
Ork race bred from beasts and Maiar

1000
Council of the Valar,
Varda creates the Great Stars

1040
Melkor re-enters Arda

1043
Melkor again clouds the Earth

1050
Varda creates the Constellations,
Manwë drives back the clouds,
Elves awake in Cuiviénen,
Melian enters Beleriand

1080
Melkor discovers the Elves,
Orks assail the Elves

1085
Oromë discovers the Elves

1086
Oromë returns to Valinór

1090
Valar prepare to assail Utumno,
The Great Rains,
Men awake on isle of Palisor in Hildorien,
Melkor discovers Men

1091
The Great Fall of Men

1092
Siege of Utumno begins

1099
Siege of Utumno ends

1100
Melkor chained

1101
Elves summoned to Valinór

1102
First ambassadors arrive in Valinór

1104
Ambassadors return to Cuiviénen

1105
1st sundering of the Elves at Cuiviénen

1110
2d sundering of the Elves at Anduin

1115
Vanyar and Ñoldor enter Beleriand

1128
Teleri enter Beleriand

1130
Elwë meets Melian

1132
Vanyar and Ñoldor embark on Eressëa

1133
Vanyar and Ñoldor enter Valinór

1140
Tirion constructed
Ingwë and the Vanyar begin to remove to Taniquentil

1142
White Tree of Galathilion given to Ñoldor

1149
Ossë teaches the Teleri shipcraft

1150
Teleri embark upon Eressëa from Beleriand

1151
Teleri remain on Eressëa

1152
Elwë becomes King of Elves in Beleriand

1161
Teleri have Eressëa drawn near to Valinór

1162
Alqualondë constructed

1165
Vanyar complete the move to Taniquentil,
Orks now bred with Men

1169
Faenor born

1170
Míriel falls asleep and passes on to Mandos

1172
Doom of Manwë announced concerning
espousals of the Eldar,
Death of Míriel

1179
Rumil creates the Tengwar

1185
Finwë weds Indis of the Vanyar

1190
Ñolofinwë born [Fingolphin]

1200
Lúthien born

1230
Arafinwë born [Finarphin]

1250
Faenor creates the Cirth,
Dwarves enter Beleriand

1280
Arafinwë weds Eärwen,
Findekáno born [Fingon]

1300
Turukáno born, [Turgon]
Findaráto born, [Finrod]
Menegroth begins construction,
Daeron the loremaster of Thingol
contrives the Runes

1320
The Orks first appear in West Beleriand,
Dwarves and Thingol meet

1330
The Orks first appear in East Beleriand

1350
Green Elves enter Beleriand,
Menegroth completed

1362
Alatáriel born, [Galadriel]
Írissë born [Aredhel]

1400
Morgoth released from bondage

1410
Morgoth befriends the Ñoldor

1449
Faenor begins constructing the Silmarils

1450
Faenor completes the Silmarils,
Melkor begins the dissention of the Ñoldor

1469
Itarillë born [Idril]

1490
Faenor banned from Tirion

1492
Morgoth slays Finwë and steals the Silmarils

1495
Morgoth destroys the Two Trees,
1st Kinslaying at Alqalondë,
Alatáriel and Teleporno sail to Middle-Earth
[Galadriel &amp; Celeborn]

Time of the Trees ends,
Time now counted in Sun years

1496
Doom and Prophecy of Mandos

1497
Faenor abandons the Ñoldor of Nolofinwë,
Faenor and sons enters Beleriand,
Death of Ambarussa-Umbarto, [Amras]
First Battle of Beleriand,
Death of Denethor,
Dagor Nuin-Giliath,
Death of Faenor,
Maedron captured

1498
Maedron imprisoned upon Thangorodrim

1500
Creation of the new
Moon and Sun for Valinór,
Ñoldor of Nolofinwë enter Beleriand

End of The Elder Days



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Old 01-10-2001, 03:36 AM   #7
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Re: A proposed brief TOY

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Other than that I am qualified only to be silent as it raises issues I have not pondered on at all [except for the brief exchange awhile ago on the downs.<hr></blockquote>
For Shame!!!

Ok; while you're pondering, I'll add another item.
It's also related to an old trivia question I proposed:
Consider this; why did &gt;&gt;Finwe&lt;&lt; (and Feanor, Fingolfin AND Finarfin) use a SUN as the heraldric device when this object did not exist until AFTER Finwe's death according to the old mythology, without using some type of floundering creative and hypothetical explanation instead of the realization that they existed BEFORE the trees died, which matches the latter text ideas. We could also examine Elwe's use of the MOON as his, but that's another story.

See Pictures by Tolkien for the illustrations.

Is it one of those things that makes you go hmmmmm?

Sorry, but as long as you're thinking...



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Thirsty for BD after long absence, and having but a brief time of sojourn to spend, I made a quick ride over the barrows and vaults of this haunted place. Now see what the glittering jewel did I brought up from the forgotten dust! Long live the people of misterious names, though them be away from us...

Or to put it straight, I think the piece of hard work placed here is very much worth observing and incorporating for those who work on it still

Maye it be of help (as I'm sure it will)
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