Boromir....% Co!!! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the real findorfin · 02-21-2003, 08:32 AM

In the book, Boromir arrives at Rivendell alone. And he seems to in the movie as well, but then why are there several men sat with him in the council? It makes no sense. Why have the obviously single shot of Boromir geting off his horse?

eleanor_niphredil · 02-21-2003, 08:42 AM

Perhaps they are men from different places? I dont know, though, just guessing.

the real findorfin · 02-21-2003, 08:45 AM

Nice suggestion, but where from? There is only Arnor/North (Aragorn), Gondor (Boromir). Rohan isnt represented and neither is Dale/Esgaroth. People from Dunland wouldnt be there.Also, the clothing is similiar to Gondorian costume shown in the film.

Phrim · 02-21-2003, 08:51 AM

I've heard it suggested that several men from Dale came, perhaps accompanying the Erebor contingent. I don't have anything to back this up, though.[ February 21, 2003: Message edited by: Phrim ]

davem · 02-21-2003, 09:03 AM

You expect LOGIC in this movie?!!!!!!!

Manwe Sulimo · 02-21-2003, 09:04 AM

It was actually Éomer.No, seriously, you just couldn't see their obscenely big ears under their hair.

Liriodendron · 02-21-2003, 09:05 AM

People have to sit somewhere! Why would Boromir be isolated from other council attendees? Body odor?

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-21-2003, 09:44 AM

Being a arrogant prat is one of them.....And wouldn't you stink after months in the wild?

Meela · 02-21-2003, 11:12 AM

*thwaps the nasty persons and hugs poor Boromir*he doesnt smell... i assumed they were just focusing on him cos he was an important character. either that or he was the only one on a horse and the other men were jogging slowly along the path behind him trying to catch their breath and they actually arrive about 2 hours later

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 02-21-2003, 02:38 PM

I've wondered about this myself. Maybe they just added the extras for the sake of the argument scene.

HCIsland · 02-21-2003, 07:15 PM

I've noticed that myself and I can't see any way to really have it make sense.My guess is that this is here for the non-book readers. In the film, the only reason any of them are there is given by Elrond's voice over, "this curse[not sure if that's the word] concerns all Middle Earth." and later, "you've all been summoned here ..." which we all no is not true. They're there for a variety of different reasons that are not practical to go into in the film.So what is PJ to do? Having Boromir as the only human (save Aragorn) would raise the question in the non-book reader's mind, why is Boromir alone when there are whole contingents of elves and dwarves? Do men not care about this? All this distracts as to what the scene is about, so you flush out the scene with some token men.Within the context of the book it doesn't work, but within the context of the film it does, and we need to remember that ultimately the films are made for people that have not read the book.H.C.

avarrogion · 02-21-2003, 08:57 PM

You`re right about Boromir thou he came alone in the movie...well maybe the men accompany him there but PJ decided to focus more on the arrival of Boromir and not the rest...you guys get me don`t you?

doug*platypus · 02-22-2003, 02:48 AM

Oh, great. Thanks, findorfin, thanks a lot. I hadn't thought about that before.How am I supposed to enjoy this movie when it makes no sense?! You guys suck, I wish I'd never found out. Well, at least it's still better than TTT.

Dain · 02-22-2003, 04:59 AM

I always assumed they were just other men from here and there, like Dale/Esgaroth as someone pointed out. The one thing I didn't like was the fact that everybody but the main characters stares blankly off into the distance as if scenic Rivendel could distract them from the horrors of the ring. Actually, one of the men shifts his gaze once, I think, but other than that, blank stares... Did anyone else find the facial expressions of the extras in this film (esp elves) a bit vacant? Anyway, I don't think the men came with Boromir, which is why we see him arrive alone, which is right. Maybe by "summoned" Elrond means he had summoned them to the meeting and that they were already there at Rivendel, rather than that he had summoned them from around middle earth?...

Liriodendron · 02-22-2003, 08:53 AM

I agree with you Dain! The vacant stares on all the council members except the "soon to be" fellowship members was over the top! "Must not think!"

the real findorfin · 02-22-2003, 05:16 PM

Oh dear, i seem to have made an enemy in a certain platypus.I suppose it does make sense for the films sake but I wish they could have done more.In the arrival scenes Legolas cam ewith a group and he was focused in on perfectly, I think it should have happened with Boromir.But I suppose this is just one of those things that only the book-lovers notice.

HCIsland · 02-22-2003, 05:35 PM

But then wouldn't people be complaining about the people that arrived with Boromir? Afterall, in the book he comes alone. The other men are only necessary in the council scene, so maybe it's best to only have them there. Give everyone only one scene to complain about.H.C.

avarrogion · 02-22-2003, 06:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I always assumed they were just other men from here and there, like Dale/Esgaroth as someone pointed out <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well guess you`re right Dain...just maybe they could be tribefolks or rangers alike .[ February 22, 2003: Message edited by: avarrogion ]

Kalimac · 02-22-2003, 09:50 PM

Umm..that shot is only a few seconds long, and he's just coming through the gate (which is obstructing our vision of most of what's outside of it, obviously) and getting off his horse. Who's to say that he didn't have a whole squadron of men a couple of yards behind him, and his horse was just a bit faster? Boromir would be the leader of course, no need for him to stay in formation. Maybe he wanted to arrive half an hour sooner both to let Elrond and Co. know that "we're here!" and also, frankly, to get a bit of extra attention. One thing Boromir is not shy of is the limelight.And for that matter, who's to say the men didn't all enter BEFORE him? Obviously we're only going to get a shot of Boromir since there's not much sense in spending five minutes watching random extras ride on until we get to him. It doesn't bother me. Call me careless. But it's not that unbelievable.

02-21-2003, 08:32 AM	#1
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	Boromir....% Co!!! In the book, Boromir arrives at Rivendell alone. And he seems to in the movie as well, but then why are there several men sat with him in the council? It makes no sense. Why have the obviously single shot of Boromir geting off his horse? __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

02-21-2003, 08:42 AM	#2
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 805	Perhaps they are men from different places? I dont know, though, just guessing. __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

02-21-2003, 08:45 AM	#3
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	Nice suggestion, but where from? There is only Arnor/North (Aragorn), Gondor (Boromir). Rohan isnt represented and neither is Dale/Esgaroth. People from Dunland wouldnt be there.<P>Also, the clothing is similiar to Gondorian costume shown in the film. __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

02-21-2003, 08:51 AM	#4
Phrim Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 72	I've heard it suggested that several men from Dale came, perhaps accompanying the Erebor contingent. I don't have anything to back this up, though.<p>[ February 21, 2003: Message edited by: Phrim ]

02-21-2003, 09:03 AM	#5
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	You expect LOGIC in this movie?!!!!!!! __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

02-21-2003, 09:04 AM	#6
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	It was actually Éomer.<P>No, seriously, you just couldn't see their obscenely big ears under their hair. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

02-21-2003, 09:05 AM	#7
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	People have to sit somewhere! Why would Boromir be isolated from other council attendees? Body odor? __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com

02-21-2003, 09:44 AM	#8
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Being a arrogant prat is one of them.....<P>And wouldn't you stink after months in the wild? __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-21-2003, 11:12 AM	#9
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	thwaps the nasty persons and hugs poor Boromir<P>he doesnt smell... <P>i assumed they were just focusing on him cos he was an important character. either that or he was the only one on a horse and the other men were jogging slowly along the path behind him trying to catch their breath and they actually arrive about 2 hours later __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-21-2003, 02:38 PM	#10
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 474	I've wondered about this myself. Maybe they just added the extras for the sake of the argument scene. __________________ Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers. ?!?! This isn't Osgiliath! Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!

02-21-2003, 07:15 PM	#11
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I've noticed that myself and I can't see any way to really have it make sense.<P>My guess is that this is here for the non-book readers. In the film, the only reason any of them are there is given by Elrond's voice over, "this curse[not sure if that's the word] concerns all Middle Earth." and later, "you've all been summoned here ..." which we all no is not true. They're there for a variety of different reasons that are not practical to go into in the film.<P>So what is PJ to do? Having Boromir as the only human (save Aragorn) would raise the question in the non-book reader's mind, why is Boromir alone when there are whole contingents of elves and dwarves? Do men not care about this? All this distracts as to what the scene is about, so you flush out the scene with some token men.<P>Within the context of the book it doesn't work, but within the context of the film it does, and we need to remember that ultimately the films are made for people that have not read the book.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

02-21-2003, 08:57 PM	#12
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	You`re right about Boromir thou he came alone in the movie...well maybe the men accompany him there but PJ decided to focus more on the arrival of Boromir and not the rest...you guys get me don`t you? __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

02-22-2003, 02:48 AM	#13
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Oh, great. Thanks, findorfin, thanks a lot. I hadn't thought about that before.<P>How am I supposed to enjoy this movie when it makes no sense?! You guys suck, I wish I'd never found out. Well, at least it's still better than TTT. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

02-22-2003, 04:59 AM	#14
Dain Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Iron Hills Posts: 127	I always assumed they were just other men from here and there, like Dale/Esgaroth as someone pointed out. The one thing I didn't like was the fact that everybody but the main characters stares blankly off into the distance as if scenic Rivendel could distract them from the horrors of the ring. Actually, one of the men shifts his gaze once, I think, but other than that, blank stares... Did anyone else find the facial expressions of the extras in this film (esp elves) a bit vacant? Anyway, I don't think the men came with Boromir, which is why we see him arrive alone, which is right. Maybe by "summoned" Elrond means he had summoned them to the meeting and that they were already there at Rivendel, rather than that he had summoned them from around middle earth?... __________________ Only I have looked through the shadow of the Gate. Beyond the shadow it waits for you still: Durin's Bane.

02-22-2003, 08:53 AM	#15
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	I agree with you Dain! The vacant stares on all the council members except the "soon to be" fellowship members was over the top! "Must not think!" __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com

02-22-2003, 05:16 PM	#16
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	Oh dear, i seem to have made an enemy in a certain platypus.<P>I suppose it does make sense for the films sake but I wish they could have done more.<P>In the arrival scenes Legolas cam ewith a group and he was focused in on perfectly, I think it should have happened with Boromir.<P>But I suppose this is just one of those things that only the book-lovers notice. __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

02-22-2003, 05:35 PM	#17
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	But then wouldn't people be complaining about the people that arrived with Boromir? Afterall, in the book he comes alone. The other men are only necessary in the council scene, so maybe it's best to only have them there. Give everyone only one scene to complain about.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

02-22-2003, 06:57 PM	#18
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I always assumed they were just other men from here and there, like Dale/Esgaroth as someone pointed out <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well guess you`re right Dain...just maybe they could be tribefolks or rangers alike .<p>[ February 22, 2003: Message edited by: avarrogion ] __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

02-22-2003, 09:50 PM	#19
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	Umm..that shot is only a few seconds long, and he's just coming through the gate (which is obstructing our vision of most of what's outside of it, obviously) and getting off his horse. Who's to say that he didn't have a whole squadron of men a couple of yards behind him, and his horse was just a bit faster? Boromir would be the leader of course, no need for him to stay in formation. Maybe he wanted to arrive half an hour sooner both to let Elrond and Co. know that "we're here!" and also, frankly, to get a bit of extra attention. One thing Boromir is not shy of is the limelight.<P>And for that matter, who's to say the men didn't all enter BEFORE him? Obviously we're only going to get a shot of Boromir since there's not much sense in spending five minutes watching random extras ride on until we get to him. <P>It doesn't bother me. Call me careless. But it's not that unbelievable. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.