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Old 11-16-2003, 11:41 PM   #121
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Old 11-17-2003, 04:32 AM   #122
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'It was like discovering a wine-cellar filled with bottles of amazing wine of a kind and flavor never tasted before. It quite intoxicated me.'
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Old 11-17-2003, 04:36 AM   #123
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He was talking about the Finnish language, which he taught himself in order to read the Kalevala.

(Either that or the Kalevala itself - it's not entirely clear from the reference that I found. But I think that it's the language.)

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Old 11-17-2003, 04:42 AM   #124
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Old 11-17-2003, 07:29 PM   #125
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OK, an easy one I am afraid, but here we go nevertheless.

What was the alternative name for the Inklings' watering hole?
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Old 11-18-2003, 12:20 AM   #126
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The 'Eagle and Child' is also known as 'Bird and Baby', which I find particularly funny!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-18-2003, 09:08 PM   #127
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I saw in the paper recently that it was up for sale. I was sorely tempted to change my name to Barliman Butterbur and put in an offer. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-21-2003, 06:12 AM   #128
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Tolkien liked good plain English food. Which cooking did he detest?
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Old 11-21-2003, 06:49 AM   #129
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Both are correct, and Telchar was first - your turn!
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Old 11-21-2003, 05:24 PM   #132
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During the time of our life we all meet women, some beautiful, intelligent, and wonderful - others charming, anmusing .... I could go on and on. Our dear professor once got in contact with a woman which he refered to with these words:
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Old 11-27-2003, 01:25 PM   #133
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I've been hunting for this one but haven't found it so far. Will you give us a clue, maybe which year or at least decade or something similarly helpful?
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Old 11-27-2003, 05:10 PM   #134
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Hint: US publication of the Hobbit (Paperback)
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Christopher Tolkien and Humphrey Carpenter have tastefully blanked out the woman's name in my edition of the Letters. She was a representative of Ballantine Books, with whom he had a telephone conversation regarding the cover design for their paperback edition. I think his comments are amusing enough to be worth quoting in full:
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Mrs. ____ [a representative of the paperback publishers] did not find time to visit me. She rang me up. I had a longish conversation; but she seemed to me impermeable. I should judge that all she wanted was that I should recant, be a good boy and react favourably. When I made the above points again, her voice rose several tones and she cried: 'But the man hadn't TIME to read the book!' (As if that settled it. A few minutes' conversation with the 'man', and a glance at the American edition's pictures should have been sufficient.) With regard to the pink bulbs she said as if to one of complete obtusity: 'they are meant to suggest a Christmas Tree'. Why is such a woman let loose? I begin to feel that I am shut up in a madhouse.
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And yes, her name is not known - please go on...
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Right you are.

What was unusual about a copy of The Fifth Book of Thucydides belonging to Zillah Sherring?
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Zillah Sherring bought the book at a second hand book store. Along with alot of different inscriptions Zillah found Tolkiens name, wrote him a letter (in 1965) - JRRT in return explained that the inscriptions were Gothic - or what he thought to be tohtic in 1910 when he bought the book.
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When did JRRT begin writing LOTR? (Be as precise as you can, please)
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:38 AM   #141
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He began writing 66 years ago this month, in December 1937. On the 19th, he wrote to one of the editorial staff at Allen & Unwin:
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That chapter was very likely written sometime in the three days preceding that date.
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Very good Estelyn! the 'three days preciding' is because in a letter from december 16 he claims that he hasn't started writing a sequal to The Hobbit.

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Of whom did Tolkien say,
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He was referring to CS Lewis.
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That's right, Mariska! I don't think we Tolkien fans realize quite how much we owe to Lewis - the whole passage reads:
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The unpayable debt that I owe to him was not "influence" as it is ordinarily understood, but sheer encouragement. He was for long my only audience. Only from him did I ever get the idea that my "stuff" could be more than a private hobby.
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C.S. Williams, a writer, and friend of C.S. Lewis
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What did, according to the professor, provide a most admirable plea in defence of singing in one's bath?
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An extract from the Old-English Exeter Book Gnomics that Christopher Tolkien had quoted in the letter to which he was replying. Sadly, my edition of the letters doesn't give the line, although perhaps it would suggest itself to one better read in medieval manuscripts. This little gem can be found in Letter #90 (24th November, 1944).
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Tavrobel and Kortirion in The Book of Lost Tales were both places that played a part in Tolkien's life. What are their real names, where are they and why was Tavrobel in particular significant to Tolkien?

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It’s high time to answer this question – nice to have more leisure for the enjoyable details after the holidays! I will give the quotes from BoLT, taken from Christopher Tolkien’s comments on The Cottage of Lost Play:
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Kortirion … would become in after days Warwick (and the elements Kor- and War- were etymologically connected);
…Tavrobel … would afterwards be the Staffordshire village of Great Haywood.

From 1913 until her [Edith Bratt’s] marriage in March 1916 she lived in Warwick and my father visited her there from Oxford; after their marriage she lived for a while at Great Haywood (east of Stafford), since it was near the camp where my father was stationed, and after his return from France he was at Great Haywood in the winter of 1916-17.
…the fair copy of The Cottage of Lost Play (and quite possibly the original composition of it) was actually done there.
I can’t help but think that those must have been special times of his life and places that meant a lot to him to have him memorialise them in his mythology!
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We all know, I presume, that Tolkien was born in South Africa, though he had few memories of his time there. Later in his life, there was another connection to that country. What was it?
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Old 01-10-2004, 10:10 AM   #158
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Christopher Tolkien was stationed in South Africa with the R.A.F during the war, notably at Kroonstad and Standerton.
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Righto, Squatter, and that's how chapters of the LotR in progress made their way to the land of JRRT's birth! Please continue...
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Then continue I shall, hopefully without causing another hiatus.

What is the "insubstantial dream of an escapist"?
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