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01-14-2003, 04:13 PM | #1 |
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Mouth of Sauron: Secrets
What exactly was the Mouth of Sauron? An Elf?
A Maia? An Orc? And is there anyway we can find out about his past?
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01-14-2003, 04:37 PM | #2 |
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I think he was a man from Harad.
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01-14-2003, 04:39 PM | #3 |
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It is said in the RotK that he was a Black Numenorean who was in the service of Sauron and under him, he grew in witchcraft and sorcery, and he gained Sauron's favor. Not too sure how he lived that long, unless it was some of his sorcery that he grew so powerful in.
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01-14-2003, 04:48 PM | #4 |
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I always thort of him as comeing from Umbar it was traditionally a home for black Numenoreans on m/e, hes been alive for so long that hes fogotten his name so could it be possible he could be one of the original numenorians in the survace of sauron at the time of ar-pharazon? just a thort
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And before anyone says something to the effect of, "Well, then obviously he had served Sauron from before the time of the Last Alliance," he clearly did not. Barad-dur was destroyed by the Last Alliance. The phrase "when it first rose again" shows that he joined Sauron when he returned to Mordor, after the events in The Hobbit.
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01-14-2003, 08:50 PM | #7 |
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And I suppose it must be said: Black does not refer to the color of their skin.
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01-15-2003, 04:52 AM | #8 |
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Yes-most of the Kings men and Black Numenorians were Marachians-similar to the Rohirrim and Northmen. Most of the faithful and Elednili were Beorrim, who were said to have quite dark skin, in places, due to intermingling with other mannish tribes, whilst they journeyed to Beleriand and on the sea of Rhun, were there was quite a large camp.
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01-15-2003, 11:29 AM | #9 |
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Doesn't "Black" mean that they are just the opposite of the "good" Numenoreans?
That's how I always understood it. Like Black and White, Good and Evil, Tasty and "yarg!", you know what I mean...
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01-15-2003, 04:06 PM | #10 |
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In this thread the mysterious Saulotus presents his infamous theory on the identity of the Mouth of Sauron: Magic in Middle-earth
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