Of Eagles and, well, eagles... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elerrina · 07-21-2001, 09:38 PM

Just curious to see if anyone knows... Have we heard any news about the eagles in the trilogy? I just realized that I've yet to see any depiction or casting on voices or whatnot. I don't really know how they'd rework an 'eagleless' story, but I imagine they could. It's not a huge deal; I'm just grateful that such a substantial amount of work was put into the movies, though I am mourning poor Tom. I was just looking foward to seeing them rendered on screen, and was wondering if anyone knew anything..Thanks. ~ Elerrina ('Crowned with stars'; a name of Taniquetil; Only thing that wasn't taken) 'Many are the strange chances of the world,'said Mithrandir,'and help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the Wise falter."

Malagaerion · 07-22-2001, 08:00 AM

Re: Of Eagles and, well, eagles... Which brings up another question. Will they show Gandalfs imprisonment at Orthanc? If they do they will somehow have to show how he escaped (hopefully it will be by eagle airlift)

LionPixie · 07-22-2001, 11:23 AM

Eagles How else would they save Frodo and Sam from the mountain? Unless, of course, Arwen saves them. (Don't cringe, I jest.) Mithrandir may only describe his rescue when Galadriel asks Gwaihir to look for him, but Return of the King clearly describes the rescue of Frodo and Sam. Computer generated, or real eagles (in the distance). Pictures may not be ready yet if not needed till near the end of the 3rd movie.

Enedbelethiel · 01-10-2004, 12:23 PM

This is actually a newbie kind of question, but I figured it fit better under this category since it has to do with the RoTK movie. In the end when the eagles swoop down to pick up Sam and Frodo from Mordor, I couldn't help but wonder why the eagles couldn't just pick them up from Rivendell in the first place and take them straight to Mordor. I guess that obviously would have killed the plot of the story but I still couldn't help thinking about it. In fact, I could ask this same question from the book sense, too. The eagles actually seemed invincible to orc forces, and I doubt that any of the fell beasts could have done much damage to them. Anyone with an answer?

Iarhen · 01-10-2004, 01:09 PM

One Reason: Sauron.My guess is that Sauron has some kind of protective girdle around Mordor, that kept everyone out. Remember that he places shadows upon his realm for his protection. If an eagle wanted to do such a task, not only would the eagle have to overcome the power of Sauron protecting the land (infinite shadow, heat, the Will of Sauron against you and a fat chance to get alive to Mt. Doom... thanks to all the lava, heat, smoke, etc), but the Nazgul on their winged beasts and the orc's arrows.Maybe the fell beasts could not do much by themselves, but the cries of the Nazgul scared everyone, including animals.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-10-2004, 01:37 PM

For an interesting discussion on the book aspect of the topic, take a look at this Books discussion: <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000779" TARGET=_blank>The Great Eagle Mystery</A>. Enjoy!

Enedbelethiel · 01-10-2004, 01:48 PM

Thanks, Iarhen and Estelyn! I'll definitely peruse that thread for more answers to satiate my eagle questions

07-21-2001, 09:38 PM	#1
Elerrina Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 15	Of Eagles and, well, eagles... <BR>Just curious to see if anyone knows...<br> <br> Have we heard any news about the eagles in the trilogy? I just realized that I've yet to see any depiction or casting on voices or whatnot. I don't really know how they'd rework an 'eagleless' story, but I imagine they could. It's not a huge deal; I'm just grateful that such a substantial amount of work was put into the movies, though I am mourning poor Tom. I was just looking foward to seeing them rendered on screen, and was wondering if anyone knew anything..Thanks. <p>~ Elerrina ('Crowned with stars'; a name of Taniquetil; Only thing that wasn't taken) 'Many are the strange chances of the world,'said Mithrandir,'and help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the Wise falter."</p>

07-22-2001, 08:00 AM	#2
Malagaerion Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 25	<BR> Re: Of Eagles and, well, eagles...</b><br><br> Which brings up another question. Will they show Gandalfs imprisonment at Orthanc? If they do they will somehow have to show how he escaped (hopefully it will be by eagle airlift) <p></p>

07-22-2001, 11:23 AM	#3
LionPixie Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 28	<BR> Eagles</b><br><br> How else would they save Frodo and Sam from the mountain? Unless, of course, Arwen saves them. (Don't cringe, I jest.)<br> <br> Mithrandir may only describe his rescue when Galadriel asks Gwaihir to look for him, but Return of the King clearly describes the rescue of Frodo and Sam.<br> <br> Computer generated, or real eagles (in the distance).<br> Pictures may not be ready yet if not needed till near the end of the 3rd movie. <p></p>

01-10-2004, 12:23 PM	#4
Enedbelethiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Imladris Posts: 26	This is actually a newbie kind of question, but I figured it fit better under this category since it has to do with the RoTK movie. In the end when the eagles swoop down to pick up Sam and Frodo from Mordor, I couldn't help but wonder why the eagles couldn't just pick them up from Rivendell in the first place and take them straight to Mordor. I guess that obviously would have killed the plot of the story but I still couldn't help thinking about it. In fact, I could ask this same question from the book sense, too. The eagles actually seemed invincible to orc forces, and I doubt that any of the fell beasts could have done much damage to them. Anyone with an answer? __________________ Not all who wander are lost...

01-10-2004, 01:09 PM	#5
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	One Reason: Sauron.<P>My guess is that Sauron has some kind of protective girdle around Mordor, that kept everyone out. Remember that he places shadows upon his realm for his protection. If an eagle wanted to do such a task, not only would the eagle have to overcome the power of Sauron protecting the land (infinite shadow, heat, the Will of Sauron against you and a fat chance to get alive to Mt. Doom... thanks to all the lava, heat, smoke, etc), but the Nazgul on their winged beasts and the orc's arrows.<P>Maybe the fell beasts could not do much by themselves, but the cries of the Nazgul scared everyone, including animals. __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

01-10-2004, 01:37 PM	#6
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	For an interesting discussion on the book aspect of the topic, take a look at this Books discussion:<BR> <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000779" TARGET=_blank>The Great Eagle Mystery</A>. Enjoy! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-10-2004, 01:48 PM	#7
Enedbelethiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Imladris Posts: 26	Thanks, Iarhen and Estelyn! I'll definitely peruse that thread for more answers to satiate my eagle questions __________________ Not all who wander are lost...