WW LXXXIX: The Terror of Tol Fuin

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by G55

<3 Nerwen for being the second person we wolves suspected of Seeing (you were actually Mith’s idea, so I give her the credit). I can now answer your question: “how likely is it that Wolflote would make a wolf-on-wolf attack on Wolf55 at that point and in that way?” Very likely. In fact, it’s a fact. By the way, it would be interesting to know who you protected.

On Night 2, much to my chagrin, I protected you, on the basis that if you and Sally were both innocent, your defence of her would look Seer-ish. What really annoys me is that this was a last minute switch– from Shasta! (Yes, the weird Ranger-rules missed coming into play on Night One by that much!). On Night 3 I protected Legate.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

On Night 2, much to my chagrin, I protected you, on the basis that if you and Sally were both innocent, your defence of her would look Seer-ish. What really annoys me is that this was a last minute switch– from Shasta! (Yes, the weird Ranger-rules missed coming into play on Night One by that much!). On Night 3 I protected Legate.

Well, it's good to know my dear one thought about me, at any rate.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Well... we fought valiantly...


<3 Mith for being my fellow pack mate, and for listening to my ramblings every Night. Also, for saying this in one PM: “you are far better than me at this you clever things”. Love you back! ^.^ Also, D3: you’re tied with Nog, and you were the last to be voted. I’m sitting at my computer and freaking out. I’m thinking “NOOOO!!!! Not Mith! Why didn’t you wait just one more minute, then you would have lived for at least another Day!!! What am I going to do without you? Plus, I know Eomer is the Seer, and I really need to tell that to someone. Don’t leave me!!! If you’re lynched I’m going to be all alone! And there’s still Nilp’s vote. He’ll save you…” Then I see Zil’s post that the Day is over and that you are lynched. Me: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”

Galadriel, I was so unhappy at that point I really did nearly vote for myself but as I said I had a duty to you to say alive. Ironically I hadn't looked at the what happens in event of a tie but I thought Sally would miss the vote again. I held off as long as I could but the clocks must ahve been out of whack. I was sure Eomer was the Seer and had I been you I would probably have killed him anyway. Most disconcertingly for me he always suspects me strongly the games when I am not a wolf and this time he left me alone. I am sorry in a way the Ranger thing didn't happen. It was an interesting idea Zil. And it isn't your fault but I am certainly going to follow Nilp's example and remember how this was if I am ever tempted to play again,

[Thinlómien]

Thanks for the game, Zil, and of course all my fellow players too. I'm glad you managed Day4 without me too. Hats off Eomer, that was pretty! Have to agree with Nogrod that the village did very well in this won - the wolves played well too, but this time the village played better. Village victories make me happy.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

I was sure Eomer was the Seer and had I been you I would probably have killed him anyway.

I was sure about Eomer as well - but I'd never kill a Seer who voted me three times in a row!

Tough luck, Nerwen! To tell you the truth, I realised too late on N2 that Shasta was such an obvious target that he's most likely protected, and we needed to avoid the Ranger at all costs. I was sitting on needles since I sent the name in and until the narration.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I suppose you had to just hope I wasn't the seer, because killing me would surely have implicated you. Although you never quite know with villagers.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I suppose you had to just hope I wasn't the seer, because killing me would surely have implicated you. Although you never quite know with villagers.

How could I hope that you weren't the Seer when I knew that you were one? I was waiting for that reveal on D4.

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Well, for anyone interested, this is what has been going on at Night...

***DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO DIE OF BOREDOM***

The first WW-related PM was Zil’s one about the roles. I was fully expecting to be an ordo, and then I read: “Congratulations! You are one of the wolves”. I think: Oh bother.

N1 was spent telling each other what inadequate wolves we all are. The best Night, I assure you.

My first words on N2: “What have I said? What have I done? Whenever you open your big mouth you put a foot in it!”. The rest of the Night was just deciding on Shasta – but considering Legate – and me rambling about a possible fake Seer reveal on D2, which thankfully I didn’t need. Me and Mith agreed that this will probably be the shortest WW game ever – lasting only 3 Days. (Well, we were ust one Day off.)

Hat’s off to Mith who suggested Nerwen (though as a Seer) on N3. Nog – you don’t realize how close you were to being killed instead of Nerwen! But that kill would be too risky for Mith, so that idea was discarded. Oh yeah, my first words:

O MY GOD!!! I MADE IT THROUGH D2 WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A REVEAL!!!

Sorry about that. I was away for a couple hours and only came back now - expecting to find myself hanging off the very tree that is occupied by Kit! Almost every time someone analyses me they say "look how wolfish she is... but she's just a confused innocent". Especially Nilp's post. I was fully prepared for his vote following right after, but then he ends everything with ‘not gonna vote her’.”

I spent N4 all alone. By this time I knew Eomer was the Seer (his consistent voting, as well as this: “I'm finding it very hard in this game to focus on more than 2 or 3 players!” aka the wolves), but I couldn’t kill him, because then I’d be lynched right off the bat due to his votes. I was torn about who to kill because everything would make me look bad. I thought that Nog would be such an obvious choice that someone will think that it would be absurd for me to kill him. Well, I was wrong. >.<

[Mithalwen]

Also Nerwen was less likely to be a lynch candidate and with no chance of getting her killed during the day she would have been a priority night kill even without the gifted hint. Far too too dangerous on the side of the angels.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Far too too dangerous on the side of the angels.

Only the good die young, as they say.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

How could I hope that you weren't the Seer when I knew that you were one? I was waiting for that reveal on D4.

How could you know?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

How could you know?

I did.

Really, it's much easier to read Seer clues when you're a wolf than when you're an ordo.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Really, it's much easier to read Seer clues when you're a wolf than when you're an ordo.

You'll seldom see a more paranoid creature than a lone WW baddie.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

You'll seldom see a more paranoid creature than a lone WW baddie.

But when I relised that Eomer is the Seer, I wasn't alone at all! Mith was still by my side then!

I think Seeromer summed N4 up very well here:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I think she knows I'm the seer but she couldn't kill me at night because that would obviously reveal all and end the game. I've known the game was over since Mith died.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

You'll seldom see a more paranoid creature than a lone WW baddie.

How about an innocent ordo in an endgame with another innocent + a wolf...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

How could you know?

Posts 369 and 370. You said you could only focus on a couple of players this game and voted for Galadriel saying you pictured the others as innocent.

Screamed I am the seer....

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

How about an innocent ordo in an endgame with another innocent + a wolf...

Let's not talk about that ever again....

EDIT: x'd with Mith

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Posts 369 and 370. You said you could only focus on a couple of players this game and voted for Galadriel saying you pictured the others as innocent.

Screamed I am the seer....

See, I thought about that, but I'd convinced myself that Nog was the seer, so I thought it was either a fake seer hint to confuse the wolves or that it was a fake seer hint because he was a wolf. Then Nog died.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Posts 369 and 370. You said you could only focus on a couple of players this game and voted for Galadriel saying you pictured the others as innocent.

Screamed I am the seer....

Exactly!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Posts 369 and 370. You said you could only focus on a couple of players this game and voted for Galadriel saying you pictured the others as innocent.

Screamed I am the seer....

No... I meant that I was finding it difficult to analyse many of the players; Gala, Sally and Nilp were the only ones I really investigated. That's what I meant.

My point is you didn't know I was the seer. Undoubtedly you guessed I was and, as it happened, you guessed correctly. But there was still the chance you would get lucky and have it turn out to be Nog.

[Mithalwen]

I never considered Nogrod as seer for a moment. I suspected you a bit early but wondered whether a first timer would be a likely first time dread, and was fairly convinced even before those posts. Nothing else made sense. Of course we had the advantage of knowing that you weren't one of us and that Galadriel was . Plain ordos are seldom quite so definite about suspects. So if you mean we can't have know because we weren't party to the role email no we didnt' know but I knew by circumstantial evidence and instinct. After I was dead I so nearly told you I knew in a rep and only just stopped myself in time! We can debate the semantics but I would have put good money on it. Of course knowing is useless if you can't do anything with the information.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

No... I meant that I was finding it difficult to analyse many of the players; Gala, Sally and Nilp were the only ones I really investigated. That's what I meant.

My point is you didn't know I was the seer. Undoubtedly you guessed I was and, as it happened, you guessed correctly. But there was still the chance you would get lucky and have it turn out to be Nog.

Well there's also the fact that you were careful not to be too sure about anyone - except for me.

However, you're right, we didn't know for 100%... But we knew 99.9%, and I was ready to eat 10 hats if you weren't the Seer...