WHo in the fellowship would have tried to take the ring next? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

willkill4food · 01-05-2003, 02:50 AM

I have a what-if question, what if the fellowship had not been broken, but had stayed together after boromir's passing, then who woul have been next to succum to the evil of the ring and try to take it from Frodo?

Sam
Merry
Pippin
Aragorn
Gimli
Legolas

I personally do not know, Aragorn seems most likely at first, because he is a man, and they desired the ring, and is the line of Isuldir. But he is Elessar, and a Numenorean, so would he been able to hold off from attempting to take the one ring? Maybe it would have been one of the Hobbits, maybe the dwarf would want it, for they lust after treasure, maybe even Legolas would be tempted by the evil...

Who?

-willkill

Durin's Bane · 01-05-2003, 03:08 AM

Definetley Aragorn, I know it seems obvious but when you narrow it down who else would it be... this is the order it'd go in to be the first to take the ring

-Aragorn
-Pippin
-Merry
-Gimli
-Legolas
-Sam (definetley a charecter of youth and wisdom)

Afrodal Fenyar · 01-05-2003, 03:28 AM

Well, Aragorn was going to war, and could win with the Ring. But he was the wisest of the fellowship after Gandalf died, and showed his great power of will when lookin into palantír. So I believe that he could be even the last one who tries to take it(save Sam, maybe).

Maybe.. Gimli? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

doug*platypus · 01-05-2003, 03:57 AM

Are you referring to Galadriel's statement in the FOTR movie that "one by one it will claim them all?"

As for the books, I think Boromir was the only one who would have desired it. Merry, Pippin and Sam all went along for love of Frodo, I don't think they would have been selfish enough to want to take it off him. Aragorn and Gandalf were wise enough to perceive the Ring as an object of evil. Legolas didn't have enough personality to want to take it, and over Dwarves the Rings of Power did not hold sway as Sauron had thought they would. The One was never said to have brought great wealth at any rate, if you think Gimli would have taken it out of greed.

Galorme · 01-05-2003, 06:32 AM

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Legolas didn't have enough personality to want to take it

No but he might want it to make he realllyyyy pretty. Remember that Legolas was in a similar, if less extreme situation as Boromir, his land was in danger and could fall as soon as the Dark Lord wanted it to. He could have decided he wanted the ring for Thraduil (sp?). So dont discount Legolas just because he is a bit of a ponce.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-05-2003, 08:47 AM

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Meela · 01-05-2003, 09:12 AM

i dont think aragorn would have. Maybe one of the hobbits, merry and pippin. or gimli or legolas

Merri · 01-05-2003, 10:02 AM

Hmmm. That's a pretty tough question. Here's my list:

Aragorn
Pippin (probably out of curiosity)
Sam (if he felt it was getting to be too big of a burden for Frodo)
Legolas
Gimli
Merry

Tar-Palantir · 01-05-2003, 01:11 PM

I can't believe Aragorn would fall prey before the elf or dwarf would. Neither of them were a match for Aragon's wisdom, will, lineage, or knowledge of the One Ring.

Also, judging from the Bagginses time of possession, and from Sam actually being able to give it back to Frodo after he found out Frodo was alive (and he even wore it!)- the race of halflings seems to have a healthy resistance to the power of the One Ring.

And remember that as the One Ring drew nearer to Barad-dur, it's pull and weight over the bearer increased, so eventually they would have all been affected, IMHO of course [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Here is my guess at how they would fall:
Gimli
Legolas
Aragorn
Peregrin
Meriadoc
& Sam would NOT falter, as he proved in RoTK!

Weber · 01-05-2003, 01:25 PM

heres my list:
Gimli
Aragorn
Legolas
Pippin or Merry
Sam (only if Frodo died or something likeafter shelob)

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-05-2003, 01:39 PM

It would have had them all eventually because Sauron was so much more powerful. I think Aragorn would put up the greatest resistance, followed by Sam. Though Sam would be likely to take it out of pity.

The other 4 would have fallen sometime, probably Pippin first I'd say.

Yavanna Kementari · 01-05-2003, 02:00 PM

Aragorn would be the last on thelist. He would have taken it only to finish the Quest.
Legolas would take the ring from Gimli after he got Galadriel. He would use this power to try to escape his fate
Gimli would take it from Sam and would use this new power to have Galadriel.
Sam would have tried to take it back to give to Frodo but used it instead to get his pots and pans back.:P
Merry would take the ring from Pippin to keep it safe.But use it instead to go unnoticed through Farmer Maggots Fields. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Pippin would take the ring from Frodo in curiosity(because he was tempted to look in to the palantir.)

SO there you have it
1.) Pippin
2.) Merry
3.) Sam
4.) Gimli
5.) Legolas
6.) Aragorn]
This is ONLY if I thought they would all fall.
But I tend to Believe that they would have stuck together to destroy it. I have faith in men. I still have faith that if Boromir wasn't always at war with Mordor and didn't have so much pressure on him, and about how close he lived to Mordor he wouldn't have been tempted..so soon.

01-06-2003, 02:19 AM

hi! i'm new here *lol* anywayz..

i think it probably would have been Gimli (even though i lub Gimli, he's funny)

i really don't think Aragorn would try to take it, he dreads turning into another Isildur too much.

Anywayz... cya! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-06-2003, 05:18 PM

An interesting question indeed. But there are really two questions: Who would have been the most likely to seize it off Frodo? ... and ... Who would have been the most likely to succumb as Ringbearer.

As to the first, I think none of them. All of the Fellowship except Boromir accepted the premise that the only way to defeat Sauron was to destroy the Ring and that anyone who sought to use it against him would be corrupted by it.

As to the second, this would only come into play if Frodo was killed or succumbed to the Ring (and became another Gollum). Of course, the next best Ringbearer would be one of the other Hobbits, since Hobbits are the most resistant to its powers (as Bilbo and Frodo proved). Most likely Sam, since he wore (and used) it and was able to return it to Frodo. Then either Merry or Pippin. Then probably Legolas, since Elves are likely to be the next least resistant (although Galadriel recognises that she would become a Dark Queen under its influence), and then Gimli. The least likely Ringbearers would be Aragorn and Gandalf (surely we have to include Gandalf as he was one of the nine and came back as Gandalf the White). Both refused the Ring recognising that its power would corrupt them and, as a rule of thumb, best to keep it away from the most powerful, who would become the most powerful of enemies.

Artalwen · 01-06-2003, 05:26 PM

I do not at all feel that Aragorn would be succumbed to the ring's power...in the extended fellowship dvd there is a scene where Elrond tells Aragorn that only he(Aragorn) could wield the ring's power...only if he wanted. And remember, when Frodo asked if Aragorn would have wanted the ring, he didn't take it. Aragorn would be a NO...

....I feel that Sam would have taken it, just to help his 'master'...to help Frodo. But besides that...I don't think anyone would have taken it.

Kalimac · 01-10-2003, 12:07 AM

I can't really picture any of them taking it. Good thing they all split up before being put to the test, hmm? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Maybe Tolkien didn't know the answer either.

If I had to pick one, I'd say Pippin, much as I like him. Not out of power-hungriness or out of malice or any of Boromir's "save my people" reasons, but because Pippin has that terrible curiosity that leads him into trouble so many times. Remember how with both the well and the Palantir he feels a "curious attraction" which won't let him sleep until he's tried the thing out. There's no explanation for the attraction, certainly Pippin isn't hoping to gain any sort of advantage from these things, but something in him compels him to do them. Same with the Ring - it's not too hard to picture Pippin, somewhere along, feeling such an insomniac desire just to try the Ring on and see what happens that he actually would try to take it from Frodo, of course with disastrous consequences.

01-05-2003, 02:50 AM	#1
willkill4food Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 44	WHo in the fellowship would have tried to take the ring next? I have a what-if question, what if the fellowship had not been broken, but had stayed together after boromir's passing, then who woul have been next to succum to the evil of the ring and try to take it from Frodo? Sam Merry Pippin Aragorn Gimli Legolas I personally do not know, Aragorn seems most likely at first, because he is a man, and they desired the ring, and is the line of Isuldir. But he is Elessar, and a Numenorean, so would he been able to hold off from attempting to take the one ring? Maybe it would have been one of the Hobbits, maybe the dwarf would want it, for they lust after treasure, maybe even Legolas would be tempted by the evil... Who? -willkill __________________ Gil-galad was an Elven-king. Of him the harpers sadly sing...

01-05-2003, 03:28 AM	#3
Afrodal Fenyar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 94	Well, Aragorn was going to war, and could win with the Ring. But he was the wisest of the fellowship after Gandalf died, and showed his great power of will when lookin into palantír. So I believe that he could be even the last one who tries to take it(save Sam, maybe). Maybe.. Gimli? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ "Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking: Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!" ~Eomer

01-05-2003, 03:57 AM	#4
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Are you referring to Galadriel's statement in the FOTR movie that "one by one it will claim them all?" As for the books, I think Boromir was the only one who would have desired it. Merry, Pippin and Sam all went along for love of Frodo, I don't think they would have been selfish enough to want to take it off him. Aragorn and Gandalf were wise enough to perceive the Ring as an object of evil. Legolas didn't have enough personality to want to take it, and over Dwarves the Rings of Power did not hold sway as Sauron had thought they would. The One was never said to have brought great wealth at any rate, if you think Gimli would have taken it out of greed. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

01-05-2003, 08:47 AM	#6
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,499	Opinion topics such as this are placed on the Novices and Newcomers forum. Please continue to read and post on this thread there. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-05-2003, 09:12 AM	#7
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	i dont think aragorn would have. Maybe one of the hobbits, merry and pippin. or gimli or legolas __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

01-05-2003, 03:08 AM	#2
Durin's Bane Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 14	Definetley Aragorn, I know it seems obvious but when you narrow it down who else would it be... this is the order it'd go in to be the first to take the ring -Aragorn -Pippin -Merry -Gimli -Legolas -Sam (definetley a charecter of youth and wisdom)

01-05-2003, 10:02 AM	#8
Merri Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 221	Hmmm. That's a pretty tough question. Here's my list: Aragorn Pippin (probably out of curiosity) Sam (if he felt it was getting to be too big of a burden for Frodo) Legolas Gimli Merry __________________ Knowledge is just opinion that you trust enough to act upon. -Children of the Mind, by Orson Scott Card.

01-05-2003, 01:11 PM	#9
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	I can't believe Aragorn would fall prey before the elf or dwarf would. Neither of them were a match for Aragon's wisdom, will, lineage, or knowledge of the One Ring. Also, judging from the Bagginses time of possession, and from Sam actually being able to give it back to Frodo after he found out Frodo was alive (and he even wore it!)- the race of halflings seems to have a healthy resistance to the power of the One Ring. And remember that as the One Ring drew nearer to Barad-dur, it's pull and weight over the bearer increased, so eventually they would have all been affected, IMHO of course [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Here is my guess at how they would fall: Gimli Legolas Aragorn Peregrin Meriadoc & Sam would NOT falter, as he proved in RoTK! __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

01-05-2003, 01:25 PM	#10
Weber Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 31	heres my list: Gimli Aragorn Legolas Pippin or Merry Sam (only if Frodo died or something likeafter shelob) __________________ Luinevaug

01-05-2003, 01:39 PM	#11
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It would have had them all eventually because Sauron was so much more powerful. I think Aragorn would put up the greatest resistance, followed by Sam. Though Sam would be likely to take it out of pity. The other 4 would have fallen sometime, probably Pippin first I'd say. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-05-2003, 02:00 PM	#12
Yavanna Kementari Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 97	Aragorn would be the last on thelist. He would have taken it only to finish the Quest. Legolas would take the ring from Gimli after he got Galadriel. He would use this power to try to escape his fate Gimli would take it from Sam and would use this new power to have Galadriel. Sam would have tried to take it back to give to Frodo but used it instead to get his pots and pans back.:P Merry would take the ring from Pippin to keep it safe.But use it instead to go unnoticed through Farmer Maggots Fields. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Pippin would take the ring from Frodo in curiosity(because he was tempted to look in to the palantir.) SO there you have it 1.) Pippin 2.) Merry 3.) Sam 4.) Gimli 5.) Legolas 6.) Aragorn] This is ONLY if I thought they would all fall. But I tend to Believe that they would have stuck together to destroy it. I have faith in men. I still have faith that if Boromir wasn't always at war with Mordor and didn't have so much pressure on him, and about how close he lived to Mordor he wouldn't have been tempted..so soon. __________________ "Nonetheless they will have need of wood." Aulë speaking to Yavanna of Dwarves :P to you Aulë

01-06-2003, 02:19 AM	#13
Charmiel Guest Posts: n/a	hi! i'm new here lol anywayz.. i think it probably would have been Gimli (even though i lub Gimli, he's funny) i really don't think Aragorn would try to take it, he dreads turning into another Isildur too much. Anywayz... cya! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

01-06-2003, 05:18 PM	#14
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	An interesting question indeed. But there are really two questions: Who would have been the most likely to seize it off Frodo? ... and ... Who would have been the most likely to succumb as Ringbearer. As to the first, I think none of them. All of the Fellowship except Boromir accepted the premise that the only way to defeat Sauron was to destroy the Ring and that anyone who sought to use it against him would be corrupted by it. As to the second, this would only come into play if Frodo was killed or succumbed to the Ring (and became another Gollum). Of course, the next best Ringbearer would be one of the other Hobbits, since Hobbits are the most resistant to its powers (as Bilbo and Frodo proved). Most likely Sam, since he wore (and used) it and was able to return it to Frodo. Then either Merry or Pippin. Then probably Legolas, since Elves are likely to be the next least resistant (although Galadriel recognises that she would become a Dark Queen under its influence), and then Gimli. The least likely Ringbearers would be Aragorn and Gandalf (surely we have to include Gandalf as he was one of the nine and came back as Gandalf the White). Both refused the Ring recognising that its power would corrupt them and, as a rule of thumb, best to keep it away from the most powerful, who would become the most powerful of enemies. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-06-2003, 05:26 PM	#15
Artalwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 52	I do not at all feel that Aragorn would be succumbed to the ring's power...in the extended fellowship dvd there is a scene where Elrond tells Aragorn that only he(Aragorn) could wield the ring's power...only if he wanted. And remember, when Frodo asked if Aragorn would have wanted the ring, he didn't take it. Aragorn would be a NO... ....I feel that Sam would have taken it, just to help his 'master'...to help Frodo. But besides that...I don't think anyone would have taken it. __________________ *~Artalwen~* :~~: Elven archer :~~: "On silver necklaces they strung The flowering stars, on crowns they hung The dragon fire, in twisted wire They meshed the light of moon and sun." -verse from a song found in 'The Hobbit'-

01-10-2003, 12:07 AM	#16
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	I can't really picture any of them taking it. Good thing they all split up before being put to the test, hmm? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Maybe Tolkien didn't know the answer either. If I had to pick one, I'd say Pippin, much as I like him. Not out of power-hungriness or out of malice or any of Boromir's "save my people" reasons, but because Pippin has that terrible curiosity that leads him into trouble so many times. Remember how with both the well and the Palantir he feels a "curious attraction" which won't let him sleep until he's tried the thing out. There's no explanation for the attraction, certainly Pippin isn't hoping to gain any sort of advantage from these things, but something in him compels him to do them. Same with the Ring - it's not too hard to picture Pippin, somewhere along, feeling such an insomniac desire just to try the Ring on and see what happens that he actually would try to take it from Frodo, of course with disastrous consequences. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.