Fingolfin and Ringil - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Ereinion · 12-13-2001, 06:30 PM

I was wondering if anyone had information on Fingolfin, and his sword Ringil. I've read LoTR, Silmarillion, UT, and LT1+2, and found relatively little information on him. I'm interested in anything on him, but mostly in Ringil, his sword. Such as when it was wrought, the type of sword, anything. Thanks in advance.

Elenhin · 12-14-2001, 05:44 AM

I don't know of any text which would tell us more about Ringil, Fingolfin's sword. However, I can at least provide you with an approximate translation of the name: 'ring' = cold, 'gil' = star.

It should also be noted that in early versions of the Silmarillion, such as the Books of Lost Tales, the name Ringil was used of the southern Lamp of the Valar. (I think its name was Ormal in the later versions.)

Ereinion · 12-14-2001, 03:07 PM

Yes, and the northen one was Helkar. Maybe somebody will find some info on Ringil + Fingolfin. Keep trying and thanks.

Jellinek · 12-15-2001, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Elenhin:
<STRONG>It should also be noted that in early versions of the Silmarillion, such as the Books of Lost Tales, the name Ringil was used of the southern Lamp of the Valar. (I think its name was Ormal in the later versions.)</STRONG>

This is not entirely correct, In earlier versions, Melkor had made two pillars (of ice) for the lights to be placed on: Ringil was the pillar on which the light Ormal was placed, like Illuin was placed on Helkar.

[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: Jellinek ]

Elrian · 12-15-2001, 10:52 PM

I don't think Melkor aided with the lamps. Aule built those.

Jellinek · 12-15-2001, 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by Elrian:
<STRONG>I don't think Melkor aided with the lamps. Aule built those.</STRONG>

Like I said, that was in an earlier version. It has changed into all Valar contributing to the erection of the pillars. One in the sea of Helcar, one on the isle of Ringil.

Jellinek

12-13-2001, 06:30 PM	#1
Ereinion Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Coventry, RI Posts: 26	Fingolfin and Ringil I was wondering if anyone had information on Fingolfin, and his sword Ringil. I've read LoTR, Silmarillion, UT, and LT1+2, and found relatively little information on him. I'm interested in anything on him, but mostly in Ringil, his sword. Such as when it was wrought, the type of sword, anything. Thanks in advance.

12-15-2001, 10:52 PM	#5
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	I don't think Melkor aided with the lamps. Aule built those. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

12-14-2001, 05:44 AM	#2
Elenhin Wight Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Vantaa, Finland Posts: 205	I don't know of any text which would tell us more about Ringil, Fingolfin's sword. However, I can at least provide you with an approximate translation of the name: 'ring' = cold, 'gil' = star. It should also be noted that in early versions of the Silmarillion, such as the Books of Lost Tales, the name Ringil was used of the southern Lamp of the Valar. (I think its name was Ormal in the later versions.)

12-14-2001, 03:07 PM	#3
Ereinion Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Coventry, RI Posts: 26	Yes, and the northen one was Helkar. Maybe somebody will find some info on Ringil + Fingolfin. Keep trying and thanks.