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03-01-2002, 12:06 PM | #1 | |
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A little note on Sauron
Since many topics lately have been ending in the question or starting in the question of why anyone would wan't to take over Middle Earth, perhaps this bit of HoME from theonering.net will help...
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03-01-2002, 01:45 PM | #2 |
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[img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I thought I just said that (in another thread - "Inherent evil") though you found precisely the quote I was thinking of.
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03-01-2002, 04:39 PM | #3 | |
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I don't know if we're assuming that the later the quote the more definitive it is but there is another interesting quote regarding Thû (as I prefer to call him).
Letter 183 entitled 'Notes on WH Auden's review of "The Return of the King"' c.1956 Quote:
†By a triple treachery: 1. Because of his admiration of Strength he had become a follower of Morgoth and fell with him down into the depths of evil, becoming his chief agent in Middle Earth. 2. When Morgoth was defeated by the Valar finally he forsook his allegiance; but out of fear only; he did not present himself to the Valar or sue for pardon, and remained in Middle Earth. 3. When he found how greatly his knowledge was admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence them, his pride became boundless. By the end of the Second Age he assumed the position of Morgoth's representative. By the end of the Third Age (though actually much weaker than before) he claimed to Morgoth returned. The titles of 'God-King' and 'Morgoth Returned' that Tolkien states seem to depict Sauron and his intentions as far more malevolent than say, an overlord or even a 'supreme lord' of the peoples of Middle Earth. Is it that the two statements contradict each other in that the quote from Morgoth's Ring does not appear to assert that like Melkor, Sauron wished to replace Eru in the minds of those peoples he conquered, if indeed they had even heard of The One, or the Valar? [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Mat_Heathertoes ]
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03-06-2002, 04:16 PM | #4 |
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I also prefer the name of Thu. It is his real name, and Sauron is like the title Morgoth Bauglir. It means "Abominable One" so he is Thu the Sauron. Thu, Lord of the Wolves. Ha!
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03-06-2002, 09:44 PM | #5 |
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Sheesh! What does every one have against Tevildo, Prince of Cats? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
[ March 06, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]
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03-06-2002, 11:12 PM | #7 |
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Could you please direct us to where it is stated that Thu is Sauron's real name? I know it was an early name of his (and by "early" I mean early in his conception, not his personal history), but I am quite positive it is merely an outdated version of Gorthu, which later became Gorthaur. When you post unsubstantiated ideas as if they're facts it confuses people who don't know any better. Please, at least cite your source.
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