Age of Finwe at death? Of Elwe? etc... Must Read! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mhoram · 03-08-2002, 03:06 AM

The account of the Reckoning of Time from The Annals of Aman from HoME X Part II says:

1 year of the Trees = 9.582 Sun Years

I have used this in all my calculations.

I have completed a Tale of Years for all 4 ages, here are some dates of importance.
(YT = Year of the Trees) (YS = Year of the Sun)

YT 1,050 Elves awake in Cuiviénen

YT 1,085 Orome discovers the Elves

YT 1,101 Elves summoned to Valinor

YT 1,102 First ambassadors arive in Valinor - Ingwe, Finwe, and Elwe

YT 1,104 Ambassadors return to Cuiviénen

YT 1,105 1st sundering of the Elves at Cuiviénen - Avari stay behind.

YT 1,110 2nd sundering of the Elves at Anduin - Teleri stay behind.

YT 1,115 Vanyar and Ñoldor enter Beleriand

YT 1,128 Teleri enter Beleriand

YT 1,362 Galadriel born

YT 1,492 Finwe slain

YT 1,500 YT time ends, YS begins

YS 502 Elwe slain

YS 590 First Age Ends

3,441 total YS in the Second Age

3,021 total YS in the Third Age

From this information I have come up with these figures:

Finwe slain 4,235 YS after Elves awake.

Elwe slain 4,813 YS after Elves awake.

Cirdan leaves M-E w/Ring bearers 11,363 YS after Elves awake.

Galadriel leaves M-E w/Cirdan at the age of 11,061

*NOTES*

"Before ever they came to Beleriand the Teleri had developed a craft of boat-making; first as rafts, and soon as light boats with paddles made in imitation of the water-birds upon the lakes near their first homes, and later on the Great Journey in crossing rivers, or especially during their long tarrying on the shores of the 'Sea of Rhun', where their ships became larger and stronger. But in all this work Cirdan had ever been the foremost and most inventive and skilful. [On the significance of the Sea of Rhun in the context of the Great Journey see XI.173-4.]" - HoME XII, Part II, Section XIII, Note 16

This shows that Cirdan was alive when the Teleri were at the Sea of Rhun, which would be between the year YT 1,104(When the ambassators return) and YT 1,110(When the Teleri stay behind at the Anduin). So we can come within 574 YS of his age when departing M-E.

There are only 498 YS between the waking of the Elves and the ambassadors going to Valinor, of which Elwe and Finwe were two, so we can come within atleast 450 YS of their exact age at death.

Please speak up if you can find any error in my work here, esp. in the givens I use which may have later renditions of which I am not aware (i.e. YT=YS ratio, dates of important events)

[ March 08, 2002: Message edited by: Mhoram ]

Joy · 03-08-2002, 03:23 AM

Wow, that is cool. I didn't realize the lenght of time for each age. I was trying to convert them to our time to see how long ago these things happened.

Nufaciel · 03-08-2002, 09:53 AM

This is really cool info. Thanks a lot! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Aralaithiel · 03-08-2002, 03:39 PM

Thanks a bunch, Mhoram! I envy your ability with math. Numbers & I do not get along at all. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

So, since I was born in the first year of the 3rd age, that would make me 3021 according to your calculations, correct?

Joy...I LOVE [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] your verse from Psalms as your sig!. Psalms is my favorite Bible book!

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 03-09-2002, 03:28 PM

I find I have nothing intelligent to add to this hotly contested theory, so, Mho - *clapclap-clap clap clap-clap clapclap-clap clap -!*

[ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Marileangorifurnimaluim ]

03-08-2002, 03:06 AM	#1
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 363	Age of Finwe at death? Of Elwe? etc... Must Read! The account of the Reckoning of Time from The Annals of Aman from HoME X Part II says: 1 year of the Trees = 9.582 Sun Years I have used this in all my calculations. I have completed a Tale of Years for all 4 ages, here are some dates of importance. (YT = Year of the Trees) (YS = Year of the Sun) YT 1,050 Elves awake in Cuiviénen YT 1,085 Orome discovers the Elves YT 1,101 Elves summoned to Valinor YT 1,102 First ambassadors arive in Valinor - Ingwe, Finwe, and Elwe YT 1,104 Ambassadors return to Cuiviénen YT 1,105 1st sundering of the Elves at Cuiviénen - Avari stay behind. YT 1,110 2nd sundering of the Elves at Anduin - Teleri stay behind. YT 1,115 Vanyar and Ñoldor enter Beleriand YT 1,128 Teleri enter Beleriand YT 1,362 Galadriel born YT 1,492 Finwe slain YT 1,500 YT time ends, YS begins YS 502 Elwe slain YS 590 First Age Ends 3,441 total YS in the Second Age 3,021 total YS in the Third Age From this information I have come up with these figures: Finwe slain 4,235 YS after Elves awake. Elwe slain 4,813 YS after Elves awake. Cirdan leaves M-E w/Ring bearers 11,363 YS after Elves awake. Galadriel leaves M-E w/Cirdan at the age of 11,061 NOTES "Before ever they came to Beleriand the Teleri had developed a craft of boat-making; first as rafts, and soon as light boats with paddles made in imitation of the water-birds upon the lakes near their first homes, and later on the Great Journey in crossing rivers, or especially during their long tarrying on the shores of the 'Sea of Rhun', where their ships became larger and stronger. But in all this work Cirdan had ever been the foremost and most inventive and skilful. [On the significance of the Sea of Rhun in the context of the Great Journey see XI.173-4.]" - HoME XII, Part II, Section XIII, Note 16 This shows that Cirdan was alive when the Teleri were at the Sea of Rhun, which would be between the year YT 1,104(When the ambassators return) and YT 1,110(When the Teleri stay behind at the Anduin). So we can come within 574 YS of his age when departing M-E. There are only 498 YS between the waking of the Elves and the ambassadors going to Valinor, of which Elwe and Finwe were two, so we can come within atleast 450 YS of their exact age at death. Please speak up if you can find any error in my work here, esp. in the givens I use which may have later renditions of which I am not aware (i.e. YT=YS ratio, dates of important events) [ March 08, 2002: Message edited by: Mhoram ]

03-08-2002, 03:23 AM	#2
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,014	Wow, that is cool. I didn't realize the lenght of time for each age. I was trying to convert them to our time to see how long ago these things happened. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-08-2002, 09:53 AM	#3
Nufaciel Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 133	This is really cool info. Thanks a lot! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Member of Pervy Elf Fanciers Anonymous...I need professional help.

03-08-2002, 03:39 PM	#4
Aralaithiel Ghost Eldaran Queen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A remote mountain in Valinor Posts: 353	Thanks a bunch, Mhoram! I envy your ability with math. Numbers & I do not get along at all. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] So, since I was born in the first year of the 3rd age, that would make me 3021 according to your calculations, correct? Joy...I LOVE [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] your verse from Psalms as your sig!. Psalms is my favorite Bible book! __________________ A lelyat, wen! (Quenya Elvish for "You go, girl!"

03-09-2002, 03:28 PM	#5
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	I find I have nothing intelligent to add to this hotly contested theory, so, Mho - clapclap-clap clap clap-clap clapclap-clap clap -! [ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Marileangorifurnimaluim ] __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?