The Blue Wizards - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tarlondeion Of Gondolin · 02-22-2002, 01:48 PM

What the hell happened to the two blue wizards and what were there names?

Elendur · 02-22-2002, 01:55 PM

Read Unfinished Tales. It's a good book and will answer your questions.

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-22-2002, 04:13 PM

Regarding the Blue Wizards:

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Of the Blue little was known in the West, and they had no names save Ithryn Luin "the Blue Wizards;" for they passed into the East with Curunír, but they never returned, and whether they remained in the East, pursuing there the purposes for which they were sent; or perished; or as some hold were ensnared by Sauron and became his servants, is not now known. 3 But none of these chances were impossible to be; for, strange indeed though this may seem, the Istari, being clad in bodies of Middle-earth, might even as Men and Elves fall away from their purposes. and do evil, forgetting the good in the search for power to effect it.

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Whereas in the essay on the Istari it is said that the two who passed into the East had no names save Ithryn Luin "the Blue Wizards" (meaning of course that they had no names in the West of Middle-earth), here they are named, as Alatar and Pallando, and are associated with Oromë, though no hint is given of the reason for this relationship. It might be (though this is the merest guess) that Oromë of all Valar had the greatest knowledge of the further parts of Middle-earth, and that the Blue Wizards were destined to journey in those regions and to remain there.

Unfinished Tales, "The Istari"

[ February 22, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

Elven-Maiden · 02-22-2002, 04:24 PM

Hmm, I was wondering that too! Thanks!

Note to self: Finish reading the Silm, move onto the Unfinished Tales.... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Aralaithiel · 02-22-2002, 04:36 PM

Yes, definitely read UT! Now, anyone want to tackle the Blues in a fan fiction story? I would, but I want to finish the one I started, and that character has a lot to say!

Mat_Heathertoes · 02-22-2002, 05:43 PM

Regarding the Ithryn Luin (Blue Wizards)

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I really do not know anything clearly about the other two - since they do not concern the history of the N.W. [of Middle-Earth] I think that they went as emissaries to distant regions, East and South, far out of Númenórean range: missionaries to 'enemy-occupied' lands, as it were. What success they had I do not know; but i fear that they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; and I suspect that they were founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic' traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.

Letter 211 of the Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien

I always thought that Billy Graham and David Copperfield were odd!!

[ February 22, 2002: Message edited by: Mat_Heathertoes ]

Keeper of Dol Guldur · 02-26-2002, 02:32 PM

My guess is--they tried to move the easterlings against Sauron like Gandalf did, but could get nothing out of it so they went AWOL. Similarly to Radagast (if my memory serves me right) they did not get to go back to Valinor. So therefore, they must have abandoned their quest (or been killed by something/someone unnamed and horrible).

Birdland · 02-26-2002, 11:11 PM

Ya know, you only got five wizards. Two go AWOL, one takes off bird watching, and one goes over to the other side. Leaving poor Gandalf to carry the whole ball of wax.

Boy, can those Valar pick 'em or what?

Nufaciel · 02-27-2002, 10:03 AM

LOL. You know, Saruman didn't want to bring the bird watcher, but the Valar made him. Do you think maybe that's why Saruman didn't like him too much? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 03-01-2002, 08:46 AM

I'm not sure that Saruman liked anybody that much; people that didn't make him feel important anyway. What a miserable tick.

02-22-2002, 01:48 PM	#1
Tarlondeion Of Gondolin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Gondolin the fair Posts: 94	The Blue Wizards What the hell happened to the two blue wizards and what were there names?

02-22-2002, 01:55 PM	#2
Elendur Wight Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Arnor Posts: 200	Read Unfinished Tales. It's a good book and will answer your questions. __________________ Son of Isildur.

02-22-2002, 04:24 PM	#4
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 297	Hmm, I was wondering that too! Thanks! Note to self: Finish reading the Silm, move onto the Unfinished Tales.... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile

02-22-2002, 04:36 PM	#5
Aralaithiel Ghost Eldaran Queen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A remote mountain in Valinor Posts: 353	Yes, definitely read UT! Now, anyone want to tackle the Blues in a fan fiction story? I would, but I want to finish the one I started, and that character has a lot to say! __________________ A lelyat, wen! (Quenya Elvish for "You go, girl!"

02-26-2002, 02:32 PM	#7
Keeper of Dol Guldur Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 315, CNY Boys and girls. Posts: 405	My guess is--they tried to move the easterlings against Sauron like Gandalf did, but could get nothing out of it so they went AWOL. Similarly to Radagast (if my memory serves me right) they did not get to go back to Valinor. So therefore, they must have abandoned their quest (or been killed by something/someone unnamed and horrible). __________________ "I come from yonder...Have you seen Baggins? Baggins has left, he is coming. He is not far away. I wish to find him. If he passes will you tell me? I will come back with gold." - Khamul the Easterling

02-26-2002, 11:11 PM	#8
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,757	Ya know, you only got five wizards. Two go AWOL, one takes off bird watching, and one goes over to the other side. Leaving poor Gandalf to carry the whole ball of wax. Boy, can those Valar pick 'em or what?

02-27-2002, 10:03 AM	#9
Nufaciel Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 133	LOL. You know, Saruman didn't want to bring the bird watcher, but the Valar made him. Do you think maybe that's why Saruman didn't like him too much? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Member of Pervy Elf Fanciers Anonymous...I need professional help.

03-01-2002, 08:46 AM	#10
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,184	I'm not sure that Saruman liked anybody that much; people that didn't make him feel important anyway. What a miserable tick. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?