Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Thinlómien]

Just quickly looking at this without the context:

Morsul-->McCaber
Lommie-->Gal
Legate-->Gal (2)
Gal-->Legate
Dun-->Legate (2)
McCaber-->Legate (3)
Sally-->Legate (4)
Cop-->Legate (5)
Shasta-->Gal (3)
Nerwen-->Legate (6)

Inziladun actually looks pretty good so I might take back what I said about him just a minute ago (or then he's really sneaky). McCaber looks equally good.

Sally and Cop were basically beating a dead horse, so their votes prove nothing. Morsul's vote is equally informative.

Shasta baffles me, especially as he said (if I recall correctly) something like "woops, I didn't realise Legate already had so many votes". That's so incriminating that it shouldn't be incriminating but maybe it is because it's Shasta whom I can see more likely doing double-bluffing than bluffing.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Lommy - G55 (G55 1)
Legate - G55 (G55 2)
G55 - Legate (G55 2, Legate 1)
Inzil - Legate (G55 2, Legate 2)
McCaber - Legate (G55 2, Legate 3)
Sally - Legate (G55 2, Legate 4)
Cop - Legate (G55 2, Legate 5)
Shasta - G55 (G55 3, Legate 5)

I hadn't realized the lynch was so in favor of Legate. Hmm....

Shasta seems disappointed Legate has more votes at this point. That "hmmm..." just strikes me as odd.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the cobbler (who failed big time yesterDay)

No, I did not fail big time yesterDay. I big time won the game yesterDay. I am not the Cobbler. I am not a Wolf either. Nor a Ranger. As it happens, I am not an Ordo either.

If you didn't get it yet, I am the Seer.

(go on, shake your heads, roll your eyes, I won't blame you for it.)

My original original plan was to keep my head down. Well, I failed at that big time. Interpreting the events of Night2 as I have already said yesterDay (that part of my fake-reveal was completly true) I realised that I will most likely be killed on Night3, since the Ranger cannot protect the same person twice in a row. I could reveal. Or I could give the wolves a darn good reason not to kill me that Night. So I started playing the Cobbler with Legate.

However, at that point I had one known innocent in addition to Legwolf. My plan rested on communicating to him/her that I am the Seer and Legate is the wolf, as a back-up. Unfortunately, the said innocent did not respond to me in time, and I did not dare to go full-scale cobbler until I got confirmation from them. When I realised that Legate wasn't buying my half-hearted cobbler attempt, I changed my plan. I still had to give a reason for the wolves not to kill me the following Night, so I revealed as the next best thing - Ordo.

I admit that my biggest fear this Night was that I would still be killed, either because the wolf did not trust a word I said about my un-Seerness, or simply because they thought I would bee to much of a trusted/known inocent. My hope was that someone would look more Seerish that I did to the wolf (whom I did not know yet), or at least more profitable to kill. And, here I am, with a third name up my sleeve. I dreamed Inzil.

Unfortunately, I cannot give you his role, other than that he is a baddie. I know I'm not supposed to quote the Mod's PMs, but I don't really have a choice. Lottie said that Zil is Legate's "henchman", and I am not sure if that refers to the cobbler or the other wolf. I've bombarded her with PMs asking for clarification, but she has not answered yet. I will tell you Zil's role as soon as I get a reply. Either way, he is evil. I am more inclined to think wolf, but I'm not taking chances.

I will not be here for a good chunk of the Day, but I will be back a couple hours before DL. So if you have any questions I should answer - either now or at the end of the Day.

By the way, I am waiting with the name of the innocent, and I will or will not reveal it depending on Inzil's role.

[Coppermirror]

Dropping in quickly, just have time to ask one question.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Anyway, I remain unconvinced by Galadriel. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the cobbler (who failed big time yesterDay), but as it's pretty obvious she's not a wolf I think we can leave her be.

Could you explain what you think G55 might have been trying to do yesterDay, if she was the Cobbler? You seem to have an idea there.

YesterDay I thought there was an outside chance that G55 was the cobbler, but only if it was all a shockingly big scheme to get a Seer-Legate. But Legate was a wolf. Right now I haven't got a scenario in mind where G55 could possibly be a Cobbler.

Edit: cross-posted with G55! I'm surprised. I thought she might be the Ranger.

[Morsul the Dark]

generally speaking evil means wolf, most cobblers are revealed to seers as innocent.

Though you're asking us to swallow you picked two wolves in a row... We'll have to see if someone tries to counter you.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

generally speaking evil means wolf, most cobblers are revealed to seers as innocent.

Lottie did not say evil. She said henchman. That means Zil is evil, but it's unclear whether cobbler or wolf.

And Lottie said that the cobbler appears as cobbler to the Seer.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Though you're asking us to swallow you picked two wolves in a row... We'll have to see if someone tries to counter you.

I do recall a game where Seeromer picked two wolves in a row in the first two Nights, and for such a silly reason that it was almost unbelievable. That's much more impressive than two wolves in a game. Plus, I don't know 100% yet that Zil is a wolf, I just think he's more wolf than cobbler. Once again, I'll tell you what his role is when Lottie clarifies.

As for how it happened that I dreamt Inzil... I made a list of people I was considering: Nerwen, Eonwe, Inzil, Lommy, and Cop. And one by one I discarded them until I was left with Inzil. Lommy looked more like cobbler material, and I wanted to get a wolf. Cop I felt that if she's a wolf the village would be able to figure her out. Eonwe and Nerwen I discarded based on why they are suspicious; they didn't feel that wolvish to me. Then I factored in the possibility that my dream will come out innocent, and I still got that Inzil would be the most useful to know. Hence, Inzil.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

generally speaking evil means wolf, most cobblers are revealed to seers as innocent.

Morsul is correct, though I honestly believe "henchman" would indicate cobbler rather than wolf, especially since it seems no confirmation of alignment was given. Assuming Gal is telling the truth, I believe Lottie will clear up the issue when she has a chance. In the meantime, I'm going to see who else I suspect.


EDIT: x'd with Gal

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I do recall a game where Seeromer picked two wolves in a row in the first two Nights, and for such a silly reason that it was almost unbelievable. That's much more impressive than two wolves in a game.

And then there's the amazing Nerwen....

[Eönwë]

Ok, I've finally caught up. And wow, a lot seems to have happened.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, it's nice to see a gamble pay off with a wolf-lynch. It's a little disquieting though that G55 is still with us. Would she not have been a tempting target as a potential Seer? Still, maybe the Ranger was a deterrent.

The three most likely options I see are:

• They didn't actually vote her the Night before last, so the ranger could indeed have protected her.
• She is a wolf.
• The wolves want us to believe that she's a wolf.

Given that I can't see anything particularly incriminating about her and that I have limited time toDay (this is turning out much worse in terms of time than I expected), I'm going to leave her for toDay, especially as she'll be in the spotlight the whole time anyway for the rest of the game.

At the moment, I think I need to give Lommy and Shasta a closer look.


edit: Whoa, it looks like I hadn't clicked send. This was before G55's reveal.
edit 2: fixed formatting

[Eönwë]

If G55 is the Seer
Zil is either the wolf or cobbler. It makes sense to kill him either way.

If G55 is another innocent
It would be very risky and end in her getting killed toMorrow.

If G55 is the cobbler
This is exactly what she'd do. She'd die toMorrow, after taking out an extra ordo.

If G55 is a wolf
She thinks she's found the cobbler, and is willing to give xem up to look good.



Of course, her claim of henchman is an issue, because it means that either she's telling the honest truth or she's claiming something out-of-game, which is much worse than McCaber's "I didn't realise the game was starting until toDay".


So, at the moment, I'm inclined to believe that it'd be best to go along with her reveal.

[Eönwë]

Ok, so I'm going to go in about an hour, but I pretty much think that going with Zil seems the best option at the moment. If anyone's around with a differing opinion, now would be a good time to tell me.

[Inziladun]

Well, it seems G55 is the Cobbler after all. I would not advise the real Seer to do anything risky.

[Eönwë]

Well, since I'll most likely not be back (though I should be free for most of toMorrow)

++Zil

[Thinlómien]

Great... so either G55 is the seer or the cobbler. I'm more likely to believe she is the seer and we can just try it by lynching Zil.

I bet the henchman thing is something Lottie threw in to make the game a bit more interesting when the village is totally owning the game.

If G55 is the cobbler, she's just going to win her team one more day, and what then? We're still winning. I guess G55 could be a wolf trying to play time but that would be such a ridiculous gamble that it would be only cool.

So, without further ado

++Inzil

If the game doesn't end now, we'll see tomorrow.

[Morsul the Dark]

I suppose testing her claim isn't too bad an idea...

++G55

[Morsul the Dark]

Gah! I was thinking about G55 and meant to vote zil...

flipping....freaking why did I do that..

[Inziladun]

Cobbler or not, she's trying to get me killed, so

++G55

[McCaber]

Listen, G. I was willing to give you innocent, but I have reasons to believe you're not the seer you claim to be.

++G55

[Loslote]

Sorry, guys! I was away from the Internet for about twenty-four hours, and had a RL friend open the Day for me. I had no idea henchman was not clear. I've replied to G55, but to clear up confusion - yes, to me, henchman does mean partner in crime, not blind supporter. AKA, wolf. My apologies - I did not mean to mislead G55.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Sorry, guys! I was away from the Internet for about twenty-four hours, and had a RL friend open the Day for me. I had no idea henchman was not clear. I've replied to G55, but to clear up confusion - yes, to me, henchman does mean partner in crime, not blind supporter. AKA, wolf. My apologies - I did not mean to mislead G55.

Well ****. There goes any attempt at what I can try to do toDay. Shot down by the Word of Moddess herself.

[satansaloser2005]

That....that's a bit more specific than I was expecting. Okay then.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Well ****. There goes any attempt at what I can try to do toDay. Shot down by the Word of Moddess herself.

I'm sorry. I considered waiting for G55 to get back so that it wouldn't be, you know, instant death, but since it was my mistake and my being gone that caused the problem, I didn't want to risk G55 not being able to get back in time. This whole kerfluffle was badly done on my part. I'm really very sorry about that.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I'm sorry. I considered waiting for G55 to get back so that it wouldn't be, you know, instant death, but since it was my mistake and my being gone that caused the problem, I didn't want to risk G55 not being able to get back in time. This whole kerfluffle was badly done on my part. I'm really very sorry about that.

It's ok. I panicked when I tried the counter-reveal gambit and kicked myself afterwards for a good five minutes.

[Inziladun]

Well then. Snowcream all around?

[Morsul the Dark]

So basically the mddess came in and said Zil is the wolf... so...

everyone vote so we can win(Ignore my stupid vote)

[McCaber]

I just wanted some coal for Christmas to keep my family warm. Everyone knows the best way to get coal is to be as naughty as you possibly can.

Except it didn't work! I was so bad I killed Santa, but it turned out I was working for him the whole time and had RUINED EVERYTHING!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by McCaber

I just wanted some coal for Christmas to keep my family warm. Everyone knows the best way to get coal is to be as naughty as you possibly can.

Except it didn't work! I was so bad I killed Santa, but it turned out I was working for him the whole time and had RUINED EVERYTHING!

Don't take on so, my lad. Your loyalty is noted.

[Inziladun]

Frosty the Snowman was an anti-Christmas fiend
With his buddy Claus he watched the cheer
and it really got him steamed.

Frosty the Snowman had a really special plan
To off the village and emerge unscathed
Saying "Lynch me if you can!"

There must have been some bad luck when
that first kill went awry
For when he sent it to the Mod
He could only sigh.

O, Frosty the Snowman still thought he had a chance
So he checked the wind and bussed his mate
Without a backward glance.

Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
Look at that bus go
Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
Much to Legate's woe.

Frosty the Snowman knew the Seer began with "G"
But he thought "She's likely a Ranger pick"
And he had to let her be.

Down in the village
The Seer gave a shout
"I know the wolf and now we can
Get this mess sorted out.

Get the gallows nice and ready
For a lynching here this Day.
We'll laugh and smile and have a toast
As the evil goes away."

For Frosty the Snowman it was a dreary time
Evil schemes and victorious dreams
Turned suddenly on a dime.

Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
Let's do Frosty in
Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
But he will rise again!

[Galadriel55]

Back and reading.

Zil is a wolf.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Back and reading.

Zil is a wolf.

Little bit redundant there.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Back and reading.

Zil is a wolf.

Sorry, dear. I didn't know if you'd be back, and it was late in the Day, so I spilled the beans for you.

[Morsul the Dark]

Well uh.... friends?
Thus the game Ends
All nice and quick
just Frosty to kick
in the end Christmas was saved
and you little poppits can rave
at least until next year
then I must say with fear
I think I'll dressup my good friend Max
And load my sleigh up with Sacks
and away with your trees and toys
there will be no happiness or joy
I must to mny cave to plan and scheme
A world without noise, now there's the dream.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Little bit redundant there.

I didn't know Lottie updated you already, I just read those posts. And, by the way, you're all awfully quiet.

++Inzilawolf

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
Let's do Frosty in
Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
But he will rise again! [/I]

So you will in a future game, I'm sure! Too bad I dreamt you and you didn't kill me, as I was sure you would have.



Shastanis Rangerduin, or Zil, whoever happens to be around - what exactly happened on Night 2? Judging by Zil's comments it looks like I wasn't the pick after all. In that case, all this scheming was such elaborate paranoia on my part.

I feel like two things. Firstly, I got to be the phantom for a Day. And secondly, I feel like one of the characters from a comedy movie, or like one of the Three Stooges, or something like that. I did so many incredibly stupid things, and yet it turns out ok in the end.


EDIT: xed with Lottie and Morsul

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Sorry, dear. I didn't know if you'd be back, and it was late in the Day, so I spilled the beans for you.

I'm just sorry that you had to confirm the truth of the dream as you did it. I guess that the word of a Mod convinces the village like no Seer can.


By the way, Cabbie, what? You're the cobbler? I was like a gazillion percent sure it was Lommy! Especially after I found out that Zil is evil. She buddied up with both him and Legate yesterDay. Oh goodness!

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I'm just sorry that you had to confirm the truth of the dream as you did it. I guess that the word of a Mod convinces the village like no Seer can.


By the way, Cabbie, what? You're the cobbler? I was like a gazillion percent sure it was Lommy! Especially after I found out that Zil is evil. She buddied up with both him and Legate yesterDay. Oh goodness!

Yeah. I felt that Legate drawing attention to himself with scurrilous attacks was not something he'd do as a wolf. Imagine my shock when it turned out he was.

On the plus side, I did get to make this post, so I guess it was all a wash.

[Coppermirror]

I get back late and the game is over and I basically don't need to cast my vote any more...

But oh well, I will anyway! ++Inzil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Phooey. The mod ruins your big reveal, so you get to ruin mine? I see how it works.

Anyway, Lommy had it correct. Nerwen was killed because the wolves failed to kill her on the previous Night. I didn't protect anyone last Night on purpose - I had realized that G55 was probably the Seer, but was pretty certain the wolves would go after Nerwen again; if I protected G55 and the wolves killed Nerwen as I suspected they would, I wouldn't be able to protect her toNight. G55 revealing Inzilawolf wraps things up nicely, though.

++Inzil

[Coppermirror]

I shall sprinkle incense upon the poor of Christmastown, in celebration of these tidings. Indeed, we have changed the path of the future and erased our Doom.

Tiny Tim McCaber, it is unfortunate that you who were once so full of cheer became weary. Ignorance and Want do indeed lead you humans astray...

But Frosty the Snowman! You, who has a heart of snow, chose to betray us all, along with Santa Claus. It's too late for Legate Claus, but I suggest we try to rekindle the joy of Christmas within poor Inzil the Snowman. Let us sing carols to him for every hour of every day.

Do we really need to lynch him? No, no! Christmas cheer will be enough. Re-education. It worked for Scrooge. I'll gather my ghostly siblings and we shall apply our skills of persuasion. Between scaring him and jolly meals, it will surely work. Tiny Tim McCaber, you should come along too.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Phooey. The mod ruins your big reveal, so you get to ruin mine? I see how it works.

I'm sorry? Please?

Originally Posted by Shasta

Anyway, Lommy had it correct. Nerwen was killed because the wolves failed to kill her on the previous Night. I didn't protect anyone last Night on purpose - I had realized that G55 was probably the Seer, but was pretty certain the wolves would go after Nerwen again; if I protected G55 and the wolves killed Nerwen as I suspected they would, I wouldn't be able to protect her toNight. G55 revealing Inzilawolf wraps things up nicely, though.

*headdesk* So basically all my nervewracking Day2 scheming was for nothing. *goes to beat head on the wall a couple times*

I guess I should have realized, but I already fake-revealed/hinted as so many roles that it wouldn't have made a difference at that point. But I should never have underestimated your skills with this game. That's some first-class Ranger scheming, if I may be a judge in such matters.

[Galadriel55]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQj7ng8bcyY