Weird Coincidence: Star Wars Fans - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Manwe Sulimo · 11-19-2002, 07:11 PM

Ever notice the similarities between Christopher Lee's characters in LotR and SW: AotC?Saruman: -Former Leader of the White Council -Fell to Sauron's power -Former trusted friend, betrays friends -Not with master, but maintains a stronghold in another location -Attacks Sauron's enemies (frees up Sauron to look for the Ring, concentrate on Gondor)Count Dooku: -Former Jedi Knight -Fell to Darth Sidious's power -Former trusted fellow Knight, betrays friends -Not with master, maintains an army in another location -Distracts his master's enemies (the Jedi) while Sidious consolidates powerI just got both the LotR spec. ed. dvd and the Eps. II dvd. My friend suggested this to me, and I thought it was pretty cool.What do you all think of it?

Túroch · 11-20-2002, 01:33 AM

Hmmm, interesting. I'm just glad that Christopher Lee is finally getting good roles. And boy has he ever landed himself some sweet parts, being both Star Wars and LOTR.

Rose Cotton · 11-20-2002, 05:53 AM

Also he has two lines that sound very familiar. One goes something like this:"We must join him Gandalf."And the other goes somthing like this:"You must join me Obi Wan."Not exactly the same but close.

the phantom · 11-20-2002, 08:09 AM

Now what would really be funny is if they end up dying in very similar ways. A couple of my friends didn't like the fact that he played such a similar character in movies that were released so close together. They said that it blurred his characters. My friend Dusty said he kept expecting Saruman to whip out a light sabre. I never had that problem, but I guess I can see how it could happen.

Gandalf_theGrey · 11-20-2002, 09:35 AM

* bows a greeting *Put me in the curmudgeon's corner along with your good friends, the phantom. I wonder if Christopher Lee has any similar thoughts about his being typecast? Or whether in subtle ways (gestures, turn of phrase) he himself has sought to make the two characters either more similar than they ought to be ... or less so?As for me, I was once accused in an X-Files forum of closely resembling a certain wizard, when at the time I happened to be portraying quite a different smoking man.

doug*platypus · 12-26-2002, 08:42 AM

Yeah, quite a funny coincidence, all in all. Especially the way they hold Gandalf-Wan Thegreyobi prisoner. And Gandalf gets saved by a moth, Obi-Wan gets saved by Yoda! Unfortunately, GL didn't do a very good job of ripping off Saruman. Count Dooku is terrible. Just awful. Prequels schmequels.

the mortal elf · 12-26-2002, 12:23 PM

What's wrong with Count Dooku? Anyway, I noticed that too, but it doesn't bother me in the least. Even if their lines and stories weren't so similar, we'd probably make the same connection just because Mr. Lee acts so well and is so memerable.

Kirsanne_Tolebrass · 12-26-2002, 02:58 PM

Yeah! I think it is pretty wierd. Good job noticing!

**lindil** · 12-26-2002, 03:03 PM

I noticed it in AotC where Dooku says 'well now my old friend'. he says something similar to gandalf in Isengaed before attacking him.

Hawkeye · 12-26-2002, 03:06 PM

Yeah, i noticed that. He is such a memorable actor that it kind of automatically happens, but it still was noticable, especially with his similar lines, and all. heh. A couple of my friends and i were having a conversation about that once, and we wondered if he ever got those two lines mixed up while filming...that would be funny!

vanwalossien · 12-26-2002, 03:07 PM

Hm, does some people have too much time off? Er, well I'll be quiet, I do the same thing. I don't think C. Lee's parts blur into one another at all because he is just brilliant. If the rumours about him getting the part as Dumbledore hasn't been sqashed yet, he'll be writing cinema history (come to think about it he already has, with so many films behind him), for getting the three biggest supporting parts ever..!

11-19-2002, 07:11 PM	#1
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Weird Coincidence: Star Wars Fans Ever notice the similarities between Christopher Lee's characters in LotR and SW: AotC?<P>Saruman:<BR>-Former Leader of the White Council<BR>-Fell to Sauron's power<BR>-Former trusted friend, betrays friends<BR>-Not with master, but maintains a stronghold in another location<BR>-Attacks Sauron's enemies (frees up Sauron to look for the Ring, concentrate on Gondor)<P>Count Dooku:<BR>-Former Jedi Knight<BR>-Fell to Darth Sidious's power<BR>-Former trusted fellow Knight, betrays friends<BR>-Not with master, maintains an army in another location<BR>-Distracts his master's enemies (the Jedi) while Sidious consolidates power<P>I just got both the LotR spec. ed. dvd and the Eps. II dvd. My friend suggested this to me, and I thought it was pretty cool.<P>What do you all think of it? __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

11-20-2002, 01:33 AM	#2
Túroch Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State University Posts: 102	Hmmm, interesting. I'm just glad that Christopher Lee is finally getting good roles. And boy has he ever landed himself some sweet parts, being both Star Wars and LOTR. __________________ For the valour of the Edain the Elves shall ever remember as the ages lengthen, marvelling that they gave life so freely of which thay had on earth so little. But it is not for thy valour only that I send thee, but to bring into the world a hope beyond thy sight, and a light that shall pierce the darkness." Ulmo - Lord of waters

11-20-2002, 05:53 AM	#3
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	Also he has two lines that sound very familiar. One goes something like this:<P>"We must join him Gandalf."<P>And the other goes somthing like this:<P>"You must join me Obi Wan."<P>Not exactly the same but close. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

11-20-2002, 08:09 AM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Now what would really be funny is if they end up dying in very similar ways.<BR>A couple of my friends didn't like the fact that he played such a similar character in movies that were released so close together. They said that it blurred his characters. My friend Dusty said he kept expecting Saruman to whip out a light sabre. I never had that problem, but I guess I can see how it could happen. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-20-2002, 09:35 AM	#5
Gandalf_theGrey Visionary Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 633	* bows a greeting *<P>Put me in the curmudgeon's corner along with your good friends, <B>the phantom</B>. <P>I wonder if Christopher Lee has any similar thoughts about his being typecast? Or whether in subtle ways (gestures, turn of phrase) he himself has sought to make the two characters either more similar than they ought to be ... or less so?<P>As for me, I was once accused in an X-Files forum of closely resembling a certain wizard, when at the time I happened to be portraying quite a different smoking man.

12-26-2002, 08:42 AM	#6
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Yeah, quite a funny coincidence, all in all. Especially the way they hold Gandalf-Wan Thegreyobi prisoner. And Gandalf gets saved by a moth, Obi-Wan gets saved by Yoda! Unfortunately, GL didn't do a very good job of ripping off Saruman. Count Dooku is terrible. Just awful. Prequels schmequels. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

12-26-2002, 12:23 PM	#7
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	What's wrong with Count Dooku? Anyway, I noticed that too, but it doesn't bother me in the least. Even if their lines and stories weren't so similar, we'd probably make the same connection just because Mr. Lee acts so well and is so memerable. __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-26-2002, 02:58 PM	#8
Kirsanne_Tolebrass Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Bree Posts: 17	Yeah! I think it is pretty wierd. Good job noticing! __________________ Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Ignore me, everyone else does. :( @~'~,~

12-26-2002, 03:03 PM	#9
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	I noticed it in AotC where Dooku says 'well now my old friend'. he says something similar to gandalf in Isengaed before attacking him. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

12-26-2002, 03:06 PM	#10
Hawkeye Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 20	Yeah, i noticed that. He is such a memorable actor that it kind of automatically happens, but it still was noticable, especially with his similar lines, and all. heh. A couple of my friends and i were having a conversation about that once, and we wondered if he ever got those two lines mixed up while filming...that would be funny! __________________ You need people of INTELLIGENCE on this sort of mission...quest...thing!

12-26-2002, 03:07 PM	#11
vanwalossien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: middle of Nowhere/Norway Posts: 372	Hm, does some people have too much time off? Er, well I'll be quiet, I do the same thing. I don't think C. Lee's parts blur into one another at all because he is just brilliant. If the rumours about him getting the part as Dumbledore hasn't been sqashed yet, he'll be writing cinema history (come to think about it he already has, with so many films behind him), for getting the three biggest supporting parts ever..! __________________ "The ships hung in the air in much the same way as bricks don't"