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Old 03-07-2003, 09:21 AM   #1
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Silmaril Galadriel vs Feanor in the U.T.

This is something that impressed me a lot. Since I have not been able to read the Unfinished Tales (I cant find the book!!!)this story is something new to me.

So, could anyone tell me more about it? Why did they fought? How did they fought (physically, mentally, magically...)? Who won? What happened to the loser?

Galadriel keeps impressing me more and more. She was able to stand in a fight against one of the greatest of the Eldar!!! WOW... no wonder why she's mighty among the High Elves...
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Old 03-07-2003, 09:23 AM   #2
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They never fought. In one version, the one in which Celeborn is a Telerin prince, named Teleporno (giggles) Galadriel fights against the Noldor on the side of the Teleri.

They just didn't get along. They never actually FOUGHT.

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Old 03-07-2003, 11:53 AM   #3
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I don't remember any physical strife between Galadriel & Feanor in UT, but what I think you are speaking of is the "hair" incident. The experts may have to check my facts and fill in some blanks here, I've only read UT once, but I'll do my best to explain.

Based on Feanor's cold relationship with his half-brothers, Fingolfin and Finarfin (Galadriel's father), Galadriel has no love for Feanor and she does not take pains to hide this fact. Feanor is however, enamoured of her beautiful, golden hair. He eventually asks her for a strand of hair which he would like to use in the making of a jewel. She refuses him outright, and it is a cause of humiliation to Feanor. Thus perpetuating the rift between Feanor's line and that of his half-brothers.

At the Kinslaying at Alqualonde, Galadriel and her company take up arms to defend the Teleri (her mother's people) against the host of Feanor. I do not remember Galadriel and Feanor having any direct clash during this conflict. But, perhaps that happened, anyone?
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Old 03-07-2003, 12:10 PM   #4
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But, perhaps that happened, anyone?
No-it didn't happen.
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Old 03-07-2003, 12:29 PM   #5
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If Galadriel sided with the Teleri at the kin-slaying of Alqualonde, how come she ended up in exile with the rest of the Noldor?
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Old 03-07-2003, 12:35 PM   #6
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There are two diffrent versions. Galadirel's escape with Celeborn was Tolkien's final one.
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Old 03-07-2003, 01:39 PM   #7
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Galadriel and Feanor were the greatest of the Noldor. Tolkien said so. Luthien, however, was the greatest of the Eldar.

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Old 03-07-2003, 06:24 PM   #8
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In case you're wondering UT, a very good read, can be found at any large bookstore (B&N, Borders in the US). But if you want a hardcover edition its a bit tougher since it is out of print. They're very fine books if you happen upon one in a rare bookstore.

I never knew that Galadriel was considered one of the greatest of the Noldor. Very interesting
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Old 03-08-2003, 06:47 AM   #9
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Galadriel was the greatest of the Noldor, except Feanor maybe, though she was wiser then he...
---->The Shibboleth of Feanor.

The 'Greatest of the Noldor' is a tie between the two, but Luthien is described as 'Greatest of the Eldar'.

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Old 03-11-2003, 10:13 PM   #10
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I always think it's interesting how Galadriel wouldn't give a strand of her hair to Feanor (So he goes off and makes the Silmarils). But she gives Gimli three strands of her hair. And I think it says the reason Galadriel didn't like Feanor had something to do with her being able to read people.
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Old 03-11-2003, 11:45 PM   #11
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If Galadriel sided with the Teleri at the kin-slaying of Alqualonde, how come she ended up in exile with the rest of the Noldor?
In that final version, that was never woven in to the story, Galadriel and Celeborn left anyway in their own ship. In essence leaving 'with' Fëanor but not 'with' him, so to speak. Galadriel's desire to leave Valinor and "exercise her talents" was neither forbidden by Manwë nor was permission granted. Then:
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I just read that last night and had to share it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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A golden-haired woman refusing a man a strand of her hair is an ancient theme.
In Njalssaga, the greatest of the Icelandic sagas and one that Tolkien knew and admired, a warrior named Gunnar is defending himself from attackers at his homestead and one of his enemies cuts the string of his bow. He asks his wife Hallgerdr for a lock of her long, beautiful golden hair to make a new bowstring, but she refuses (as he had previously slighted her at a party!)
Gunnar is killed as a result...

Of course, Galadriel's motives were far more noble than those of Hallgerdr.
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Old 03-12-2003, 11:36 AM   #13
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In case you're wondering UT, a very good read, can be found at any large bookstore (B&N, Borders in the US). But if you want a hardcover edition its a bit tougher since it is out of print. They're very fine books if you happen upon one in a rare bookstore.
I got a hardback edition of UT from Amazon recently. So the good news is that it's back in print.

UT in hardback

Well that is certainly interesting to know, Lalaith, but what a wretched thing for a wife to do!
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Old 03-12-2003, 12:12 PM   #14
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Hehe. True. I've just remembered, he did worse than slight her, he slapped her in public - I tell you, don't mess with those Viking women. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]
But seriously, while Galadriel is clearly nothing like this character, I'm sure Tolkien got his idea for the refusal of hair thing from Njalssaga.
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Old 03-14-2003, 11:31 AM   #15
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I don't know if this has already been mentioned somewhere but perhaps she gave Gimli three strands of her hair because she refused to give Feanor a strand of hair three times, so this is like a last 'sucks to you" at Feanor. He asks three times she refuses, many thousands of years later Gimli asks one and she gives him three sort of as a 'rememberance' of her uncle.
 
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Yeah I like that but I think it was more her saying "this Dwarf is better than you"
not that Galadriel would put it like that [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
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