6 Degrees of Separation - Page 37 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pitchwife · 08-16-2009, 03:37 PM

Eöl - Maeglin - Eärendil - Elrond - Sam (or Frodo) - Shagrat ?

Andsigil · 08-16-2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Eöl - Maeglin - Eärendil - Elrond - Sam (or Frodo) - Shagrat ?

The one I had was: Eöl – Aredhel – Fingon - Gil-Galad – Sauron - Shagrat , but yours certainly works.

Your turn.

Pitchwife · 08-17-2009, 04:04 PM

Thanks! I tried to avoid using Sauron.
Now what about
Barliman Butterbur -> Glorfindel ?
Special rule: Do not use any members of the Fellowship (including ponies

).

Andsigil · 08-17-2009, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Thanks! I tried to avoid using Sauron.
Now what about
Barliman Butterbur -> Glorfindel ?
Special rule: Do not use any members of the Fellowship (including ponies

).

Would that be 1st or 3rd Age Glorfindel? Or are they considered the same elf for this thread?

Pitchwife · 08-17-2009, 06:14 PM

Glorfindel of Rivendell, the 3rd Age guy. The solution I'm thinking of doesn't depend on him being 1st Age Glorfindel reincarnated, if that's what you thought.

Hakon · 08-17-2009, 06:26 PM

Are we allowed to count the nine Nazgul as one person?

Pitchwife · 08-17-2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakon

Are we allowed to count the nine Nazgul as one person?

Now that would be easy, wouldn't it? Try to pick one of them - and not 'Whichever of the Nine was in Bree at the time'. I want a name.

Hakon · 08-17-2009, 06:46 PM

Barliman Butterbur->Bill Fenry->Witch King->Glorfindel

Pitchwife · 08-17-2009, 07:10 PM

Almost what I thought of (indeed one degree shorter than mine). I'll accept it as correct (and bonus points for elegance) if you can give me a quote that proves Bill Ferny met the Witch King himself in person. Otherwise you need one more person to link them (not necessarily one whose name we know, but someone who can be identified by, let's say, three words).

Hakon · 08-17-2009, 07:17 PM

I am guessing this other person is Squint-eyed Southerner. I cannot provide you with a quote that says Bill met the Witch King in person.

Pitchwife · 08-17-2009, 07:46 PM

Yes, it's the Squint-eyed Southerner. For bonus again (and since you said you were guessing) - as the Witch King himself apparently (from Gandalf's report at the Council of Elrond) wasn't involved in the attack at the Prancing Pony, where are we told that he and the SqS had met before?
Anyway, correct answer is Barliman - Bill Ferny - Squint-eyed Southerner - Witch King - Glorfindel, so take the thread!

Hakon · 08-17-2009, 09:34 PM

I thought of one.

Ungoliant->Elrond

Andsigil · 08-18-2009, 04:46 AM

Ungoliant- Melkor - Lúthien - Eärwen - Galadriel - Elrond

(the only one I'm not sure of is the Lúthien-Eärwen connection. They were cousins, but I can't recall an actual passage in which they met. It wouldn't surprise me if I were missing some simpler solution to this puzzle)

skip spence · 08-18-2009, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andsigil

It wouldn't surprise me if I were missing some simpler solution to this puzzle)

How about Ungoliant - Morgoth - Maedros - Elrond?

Hakon · 08-18-2009, 08:33 AM

Skip, the thread is yours. That one works and it is I think the shortest one possible.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-07-2009, 05:24 PM

Skip?

skip spence · 10-09-2009, 06:00 AM

Alrighty.

How about Ulmo -> Erendis ?

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-09-2009, 06:37 AM

Ulmo > Ossë > Círdan > [Gil-Galad] > Tar-Aldarion > Erendis

I am not entirely sure, but I suspect that it may be possible to remove Gil-Galad and still make the connection.

Eönwë · 10-09-2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Ulmo > Ossë > Círdan > [Gil-Galad] > Tar-Aldarion > Erendis

I am not entirely sure, but I suspect that it may be possible to remove Gil-Galad and still make the connection.

Can't you go straight from Ulmo to Cirdan? Anyway, I believe you have it so I'm not going to try another version.

skip spence · 10-09-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Can't you go straight from Ulmo to Cirdan?

I believe you're right, Eönwe. Anyway, the thread is yours Saucepan Man. Give us a challenge!

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-09-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Can't you go straight from Ulmo to Cirdan?

Quite possibly, but I wasn't certain, so took the surer route.

OK, so let's try this one:

Carcharoth > The Watcher in the Water

Andsigil · 10-10-2009, 03:35 AM

Are we barred from using certain characters (like Sauron) in this one?

skip spence · 10-10-2009, 04:56 AM

Carcaroth - Beren - Melian - Galadriel - Frodo - The Watcher

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-10-2009, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andsigil

Are we barred from using certain characters (like Sauron) in this one?

I tend to hold with the original poster's suggestion:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joy

Try not to use Gandalf, Saurman,or Sauron if it can be helped.

And I guess that applies to Eru too ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by skip spence

Carcaroth - Beren - Melian - Galadriel - Frodo - The Watcher

Spot on skip. That's what I have, although I was wondering whether Beren and Melian might simply be replaced with Luthien.

Anyway, the thread is yours.

skip spence · 10-10-2009, 02:52 PM

Yeah I suppose Luthien knew Galadriel well but since no meeting is mentioned I took the certain path.

Let's see then... How about

Mardil the Faithful -> Thranduil

Andsigil · 10-11-2009, 04:43 AM

Mardil > Eärnur > Witch King > any of the hobbits in The Fellowship > Legolas > Thranduil

skip spence · 10-11-2009, 12:26 PM

Not the connection I had but that works just fine too. For bonus points, find an even shorter path!

It's quite hard coming up with a difficult one I think, as everyone knowns just about anyone with a 6 degree separation. Maybe it would be more challenging if we only allow a three character connection, like A -> 1 - 2 - 3 -> B?

Take it, Andsigil!

Andsigil · 10-11-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skip spence

Not the connection I had but that works just fine too. For bonus points, find an even shorter path!

It's quite hard coming up with a difficult one I think, as everyone knowns just about anyone with a 6 degree separation. Maybe it would be more challenging if we only allow a three character connection, like A -> 1 - 2 - 3 -> B?

Take it, Andsigil!

I'll hold off pending a shorter route by another player. If nobody finds it, I'll put up something tomorrow. I'm interested to see what it would be, after having given it some thought, myself, and come up short.

I like your idea of shorter separation degrees. Maybe we can specify how many moves each time we pose a puzzle?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-11-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andsigil

I like your idea of shorter separation degrees. Maybe we can specify how many moves each time we pose a puzzle?

Exactly. I think that's what people have been doing for some time already. Sometimes you are fine with 6, but very often people said "try to make it in..."

skip spence · 10-11-2009, 02:08 PM

Yeah, that's a good idea. A clue to mine, there is one character that can replace both the Witch-King and the Hobbit

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-11-2009, 02:18 PM

Would the missing link be Glorfindel?

skip spence · 10-11-2009, 02:21 PM

Yep, that's what I had in mind!

Andsigil · 10-12-2009, 03:17 PM

How about if I take a slightly different route in this game while keeping faithful to its origins....

J.R.R. Tolkien > Kevin Bacon

Morsul the Dark · 11-19-2009, 05:51 PM

JRR TOlkien>CHristopher Tolkien>Judi Dench(via JRRT: A Film Portrait of JRR Tolkien)>Pierce Brosnan(Via Golden Eye)>Robin Williams(Mrs. Doubtfire)>Nathan Lane(BirdCage)>Kevin Bacon(He Said She Said)....

Andsigil · 11-20-2009, 04:40 AM

Bravo!

I was going to go the route of J.R.R. Tolkien -> Christopher Lee -> (myraid of actors), but yours works just fine.

I'm so glad somebody solved that one. Your turn.

Morsul the Dark · 11-20-2009, 07:34 AM

Radagast>Mouth of Sauron

Sorry every one that I thought of is easy...

Galadriel55 · 11-14-2010, 08:56 AM

Radagast--eagles--battle of on the fields of Kormallen(near Morannon)--mouth of Sauron
or Radagast--eagles--Bilbo--mithril chainmail--M. of S.
or simply Radagast--Gandalf--Mouth of Sauron

Nerwen · 11-14-2010, 09:01 AM

Morsul hasn't been around for a while, but the third one obviously works, and must be the shortest way possible, so you'd better go anyway, Galadriel55.

(Note for the future: as far as I know, all links have to be people, so you can't have anything like "chainmail" or "a battlefield".)

Galadriel55 · 11-14-2010, 10:16 AM

Maedhros---->Thror

Andsigil · 11-14-2010, 04:52 PM

Maedhros --> Elrond --> Thorin --> Dain Ironfoot/Nain (either) --> Dain I --> Thror

As for the earlier rules clarifications, I believe also that we were supposed to avoid using Gandalf and Sauron.

I can't remember if Elrond applies, too. If he does, then my answer is invalid (assuming I otherwise had the right answer) and the puzzle can remain open.

08-16-2009, 03:37 PM	#1441
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,355	Eöl - Maeglin - Eärendil - Elrond - Sam (or Frodo) - Shagrat ? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

08-17-2009, 04:04 PM	#1443
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,355	Thanks! I tried to avoid using Sauron. Now what about Barliman Butterbur -> Glorfindel ? Special rule: Do not use any members of the Fellowship (including ponies). __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

08-17-2009, 06:14 PM	#1445
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,355	Glorfindel of Rivendell, the 3rd Age guy. The solution I'm thinking of doesn't depend on him being 1st Age Glorfindel reincarnated, if that's what you thought. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

08-17-2009, 06:26 PM	#1446
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 747	Are we allowed to count the nine Nazgul as one person? __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-17-2009, 06:46 PM	#1448
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 747	Barliman Butterbur->Bill Fenry->Witch King->Glorfindel __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-17-2009, 07:10 PM	#1449
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,355	Almost what I thought of (indeed one degree shorter than mine). I'll accept it as correct (and bonus points for elegance) if you can give me a quote that proves Bill Ferny met the Witch King himself in person. Otherwise you need one more person to link them (not necessarily one whose name we know, but someone who can be identified by, let's say, three words). __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

08-17-2009, 07:17 PM	#1450
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 747	I am guessing this other person is Squint-eyed Southerner. I cannot provide you with a quote that says Bill met the Witch King in person. __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-17-2009, 07:46 PM	#1451
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,355	Yes, it's the Squint-eyed Southerner. For bonus again (and since you said you were guessing) - as the Witch King himself apparently (from Gandalf's report at the Council of Elrond) wasn't involved in the attack at the Prancing Pony, where are we told that he and the SqS had met before? Anyway, correct answer is Barliman - Bill Ferny - Squint-eyed Southerner - Witch King - Glorfindel, so take the thread! __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

08-17-2009, 09:34 PM	#1452
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 747	I thought of one. Ungoliant->Elrond __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-18-2009, 04:46 AM	#1453
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 746	Ungoliant- Melkor - Lúthien - Eärwen - Galadriel - Elrond (the only one I'm not sure of is the Lúthien-Eärwen connection. They were cousins, but I can't recall an actual passage in which they met. It wouldn't surprise me if I were missing some simpler solution to this puzzle) __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

08-18-2009, 08:33 AM	#1455
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 747	Skip, the thread is yours. That one works and it is I think the shortest one possible. __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

10-07-2009, 05:24 PM	#1456
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	Bumpity-bumpity-bump Skip? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-09-2009, 06:00 AM	#1457
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,143	Alrighty. How about Ulmo -> Erendis ? __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

10-09-2009, 06:37 AM	#1458
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	Would this work? Ulmo > Ossë > Círdan > [Gil-Galad] > Tar-Aldarion > Erendis I am not entirely sure, but I suspect that it may be possible to remove Gil-Galad and still make the connection. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-10-2009, 03:35 AM	#1462
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 746	Are we barred from using certain characters (like Sauron) in this one? __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

10-10-2009, 04:56 AM	#1463
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,143	Carcaroth - Beren - Melian - Galadriel - Frodo - The Watcher __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

10-10-2009, 02:52 PM	#1465
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,143	Yeah I suppose Luthien knew Galadriel well but since no meeting is mentioned I took the certain path. Let's see then... How about Mardil the Faithful -> Thranduil __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

10-11-2009, 04:43 AM	#1466
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 746	Mardil > Eärnur > Witch King > any of the hobbits in The Fellowship > Legolas > Thranduil __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

10-11-2009, 12:26 PM	#1467
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,143	Not the connection I had but that works just fine too. For bonus points, find an even shorter path! It's quite hard coming up with a difficult one I think, as everyone knowns just about anyone with a 6 degree separation. Maybe it would be more challenging if we only allow a three character connection, like A -> 1 - 2 - 3 -> B? Take it, Andsigil! __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

10-11-2009, 02:08 PM	#1470
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,143	Yeah, that's a good idea. A clue to mine, there is one character that can replace both the Witch-King and the Hobbit __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

10-11-2009, 02:18 PM	#1471
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	Would the missing link be Glorfindel? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

10-11-2009, 02:21 PM	#1472
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,143	Yep, that's what I had in mind! __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

10-12-2009, 03:17 PM	#1473
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 746	How about if I take a slightly different route in this game while keeping faithful to its origins.... J.R.R. Tolkien > Kevin Bacon __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

11-19-2009, 05:51 PM	#1474
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,502	JRR TOlkien>CHristopher Tolkien>Judi Dench(via JRRT: A Film Portrait of JRR Tolkien)>Pierce Brosnan(Via Golden Eye)>Robin Williams(Mrs. Doubtfire)>Nathan Lane(BirdCage)>Kevin Bacon(He Said She Said).... __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

11-20-2009, 04:40 AM	#1475
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 746	Bravo! I was going to go the route of J.R.R. Tolkien -> Christopher Lee -> (myraid of actors), but yours works just fine. I'm so glad somebody solved that one. Your turn. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

11-20-2009, 07:34 AM	#1476
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,502	Radagast>Mouth of Sauron Sorry every one that I thought of is easy... __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

11-14-2010, 08:56 AM	#1477
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,308	Radagast--eagles--battle of on the fields of Kormallen(near Morannon)--mouth of Sauron or Radagast--eagles--Bilbo--mithril chainmail--M. of S. or simply Radagast--Gandalf--Mouth of Sauron __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

11-14-2010, 09:01 AM	#1478
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,701	Morsul hasn't been around for a while, but the third one obviously works, and must be the shortest way possible, so you'd better go anyway, Galadriel55. (Note for the future: as far as I know, all links have to be people, so you can't have anything like "chainmail" or "a battlefield".) __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

11-14-2010, 10:16 AM	#1479
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,308	Maedhros---->Thror __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

11-14-2010, 04:52 PM	#1480
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 746	Maedhros --> Elrond --> Thorin --> Dain Ironfoot/Nain (either) --> Dain I --> Thror As for the earlier rules clarifications, I believe also that we were supposed to avoid using Gandalf and Sauron. I can't remember if Elrond applies, too. If he does, then my answer is invalid (assuming I otherwise had the right answer) and the puzzle can remain open. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

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