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Old 10-26-2017, 11:12 AM   #81
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I have a comment about the change Kalakiryan -> Calacirya

In "the Road Goes Ever On" Tolkien glosses "Calaciryan, Calaciryandė as "the region of Eldamar (Elvenhome) in and near the entrance to the ravine, where the Light was brighter and the land more beautiful" It is theorized that -yandė is a Quenya suffix meaning "place of" or "land" which is rarely used, as it appears only in words like Valariandė and Ossiriandė. In the Sindarin, however, it is more common as -ian or -ien, and appears in many place names. Thus, the term: Calaciryan would appear to be a valid term in the final understanding, in reference to the land around the Calacirya. Should this be changed in our texts to reflect this?
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Old 10-26-2017, 05:39 PM   #82
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I would say yes if the reference is to the land around and not to the ravine.

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Old 10-26-2017, 07:58 PM   #83
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Ah, so Calaciryan (or the long form Calaciryande) is the surrounding land, while the Calacirya is the pass itself. That seems to make sense.
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Old 11-19-2017, 09:30 PM   #84
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A minor change, but the Quenya version of Thingol given in LQ (Singollo) was replaced in Q&E with Sindicollo. We should make a general change throughout. It is only used three times I believe, so it is not a major change.
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Old 02-06-2018, 12:35 AM   #85
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Another minor question, but in the Notes from the Shibboleth (by far the latest notes on the subject as far as I can tell) Orodreth (given as an altered form of Rodreth) was replaced. This is how we have edited it in the current draft:
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Quenya Artaher (stem artaher-) 'noble lord' was correctly Sindarized as Arothķr. (altered to Orodreth because of his love of the mountains.)
However, the parenthetical section was taken from a reference to the earlier name Rodreth, and now that this has changed, it does not make sense. Should we then change all occurrences of Orodreth to Arothķr (with the long ķ as per the VT41 SF notes)?
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:00 AM   #86
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I have taken up {Singollo}[Sindicollo]. But for Orordreth we used the argument that the names must be valid sitll since we have ruler of Gondor called by the same name.

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Old 02-13-2018, 05:24 PM   #87
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While I see the logic that the fact of the name existing for a lord of Gondor proves it's a valid name, I do not see how it makes it any more applicable to Arothir as a name.
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:30 AM   #88
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Well, many (if not all) Truchsess of Gondor were named after 'heros' of the First Age. I would not assume that there was a second charachter call Orodreth after whom Orodreth of Gondor was named. We rather thought that Tolkien if faced by the fact that Orordreth of Gondor existed would have thought that Arothķr got the old epithet for the same reasons. (With the Change of the name the charachter does not change, so the feature that warranted the name remains.)

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