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William Cloud Hicklin · 05-03-2019, 05:14 PM

Wrong track~

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-03-2019, 05:16 PM

New page repost:

1: VALACIRCA
2: ILLUIN
3: REMMIRATH
4: ???A??? The cause of the insanity- it sounded like an Eastern leer, eh?
5: ???G??? You'll find Sol in the endless golf cave river.
6: EARENDIL
7: SORONUME
8: TELEMEHTAR

Pervinca Took · 05-04-2019, 12:19 AM

I don't think we're going to get this without a hint. Nor the Rana clue.

Please?

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-04-2019, 08:11 AM

Okay- what sounds like "leer"?

For the other one, "endless golf" does indeed mean GOL. Just keep going. It's a straightforward GOL + {synonym} + {synonym}

Huinesoron · 05-04-2019, 09:14 AM

I'm thinking the 'eh' is read as 'A', which makes 'Eastern leer' RAN. After that... dunno.

I think cave is DEN, meaning the answer starts with GOLDEN. The clue suggests it to be a name for the Sun, so we need a second word which is a synonym for river.

Oh! Is it GOLDEN FLOWER (of Laurelin)? But I thought Anar was formed from a fruit...

hS

Urwen · 05-04-2019, 09:21 AM

Actually, according to Sil, it was formed from flower.

Nerwen · 05-04-2019, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Actually, according to Sil, it was formed from flower.

The Moon was the fruit- and I think RÁNA- (Eastern Lear + A), and well-known to promote lunacy- is the final answer.

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-04-2019, 09:56 AM

And there we have it!

1: VALACIRCA
2: ILLUIN
3: REMMIRATH
4: RANA
5: GOLDEN FLOWER
6: EARENDIL
7: SORONUME
8: TELEMEHTAR

(Note on #5: The "Golden Flower" of Glorfindel's House was the Sun, poetically expressed. River = FLOW-ER)

Over to Urwen....

Urwen · 05-04-2019, 10:10 AM

This one is.....well, you'll see....

1. A puzzle gains direction for him
2. A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
3. Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
4. Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
5. A vehicle, noted. She appears
6. Muddle up his task to get his name.
7. Note Maltese money, returned. For her
8. Mix this compound for him
9. Greet the key for her
10. Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
11. Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

Huinesoron · 05-04-2019, 10:40 AM

Too much of a headache to focus on the new riddle now, but I have to quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silm

Yet even as hope failed and her song faltered, Telperion bore at last upon a leafless bough one great flower of silver, and Laurelin a single fruit of gold.

(The Glorfindel ref makes sense.)

And I have to ask: how is 'ran' synonymous with 'Eastern Lear'? Are we on King Lear, or something else?

hS

Pervinca Took · 05-04-2019, 11:22 AM

Golden Flower is really clever!

Or ... well ... Silver Flower would have been.

Did we ever find out what the leer was?

Pervinca Took · 05-04-2019, 11:25 AM

6. Vana? (van + a).

Urwen · 05-04-2019, 11:30 AM

1. A puzzle gains direction for him
2. A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
3. Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
4. Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
6. Muddle up his task to get his name.
7. Note Maltese money, returned. For her
8. Mix this compound for him
9. Greet the key for her
10. Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
11. Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

Pervinca Took · 05-04-2019, 11:46 AM

3. FARAMIR? (Afar + rim).

Urwen · 05-04-2019, 11:48 AM

1. A puzzle gains direction for him
2. A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
4. Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
6. Muddle up his task to get his name.
7. Note Maltese money, returned. For her
8. Mix this compound for him
9. Greet the key for her
10. Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
11. Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

Urwen · 05-04-2019, 11:49 AM

The password and the theme are the same, by the way.

Pervinca Took · 05-04-2019, 12:06 PM

No favourite?

(Faramir wasn't the favourite son).

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-04-2019, 12:20 PM

"Eastern leer"- Kurosawa's last great samurai epic was Ran, a reimagining of King Lear in feudal Japan.

Urwen · 05-04-2019, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

No favourite?

(Faramir wasn't the favourite son).

No. The opposite, in fact.

Pervinca Took · 05-04-2019, 12:30 PM

My favourite?

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-04-2019, 12:30 PM

7: Tar-Miriel? (LIRA + REMIT)

Urwen · 05-04-2019, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pervinca took

my favourite?

M: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
A: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
O: Muddle up his task to get his name.
R: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
T: Greet the key for her
E: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

(And yes, Vana is among them. Not on the same scale as the others, but she's among them nonetheless)

Pervinca Took · 05-04-2019, 12:50 PM

Ah - North American spelling! That's why I was one letter over and put the singular.

Pervinca Took · 05-04-2019, 12:55 PM

Is WY Wyoming?

If so, EOWYN (EON + WY) for the Y clue, with Y not the first letter.

Urwen · 05-04-2019, 01:21 PM

Choosing this theme might have been a mistake.

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-04-2019, 02:06 PM

All right, got it LIRA + TI backwards = ITARIL (Quenya for Sind. Idril)

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-04-2019, 02:18 PM

Enigma + L = Maeglin

Urwen · 05-04-2019, 02:27 PM

MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
A: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
O: Muddle up his task to get his name.
IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
T: Greet the key for her
TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-04-2019, 05:45 PM

For the A, FINI+S = ISFIN = AREDHEL?

Urwen · 05-05-2019, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

For the A, FINI+S = ISFIN = AREDHEL?

Actually, it was ADHERE + L

MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
AREDHEL: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
O: Muddle up his task to get his name.
IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
T: Greet the key for her
TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

Pervinca Took · 05-05-2019, 04:22 AM

And still none of Hurin's offspring, nor any hint of them!

Urwen · 05-05-2019, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

And still none of Hurin's offspring, nor any hint of them!

Now who said there is not?

Look more carefully....

Pervinca Took · 05-05-2019, 04:34 AM

The only thing even near a task/character anagram I can think of is Tuor/tour, but I think you said somewhere that you don't like him.

Unless Fingolfin was tasked with going golfing with Finns (or fins!)

Urwen · 05-05-2019, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

The only thing even near a task/character anagram I can think of is Tuor/tour, but I think you said somewhere that you don't like him.

Unless Fingolfin was tasked with going golfing with Finns (or fins!)

Nope.

Pervinca Took · 05-05-2019, 04:49 AM

Ah ... might LALAITH be HAIL + ALT?

(I had considered just about every kind of key *except* the ones on a computer keyboard).

Urwen · 05-05-2019, 05:01 AM

MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
AREDHEL: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
O: Muddle up his task to get his name.
IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
LALAITH: Greet the key for her
TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-05-2019, 10:59 AM

It's a stretch, but could the O be WON OVER = VORONWE? (part of V's task was to "win over" Gondolin's guards and get Tuor in)

Urwen · 05-05-2019, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

It's a stretch, but could the O be WON OVER = VORONWE? (part of V's task was to "win over" Gondolin's guards and get Tuor in)

No...

Pervinca Took · 05-05-2019, 01:01 PM

Was ELMO a spy? (Mole).

Did NORI do the IRONing?

Urwen · 05-05-2019, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Was ELMO a spy? (Mole).

Did NORI do the IRONing?

None of those.

(If there is a mole among these, it would be Lomion, who is already used)

05-03-2019, 05:14 PM	#5241
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	Wrong track~ __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-03-2019, 05:16 PM	#5242
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	New page repost: 1: VALACIRCA 2: ILLUIN 3: REMMIRATH 4: ???A??? The cause of the insanity- it sounded like an Eastern leer, eh? 5: ???G??? You'll find Sol in the endless golf cave river. 6: EARENDIL 7: SORONUME 8: TELEMEHTAR __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-04-2019, 12:19 AM	#5243
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I don't think we're going to get this without a hint. Nor the Rana clue. Please? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-04-2019, 08:11 AM	#5244
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	Okay- what sounds like "leer"? For the other one, "endless golf" does indeed mean GOL. Just keep going. It's a straightforward GOL + {synonym} + {synonym} __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-04-2019, 09:21 AM	#5246
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Actually, according to Sil, it was formed from flower. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-04-2019, 09:14 AM	#5245
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,786	I'm thinking the 'eh' is read as 'A', which makes 'Eastern leer' RAN. After that... dunno. I think cave is DEN, meaning the answer starts with GOLDEN. The clue suggests it to be a name for the Sun, so we need a second word which is a synonym for river. Oh! Is it GOLDEN FLOWER (of Laurelin)? But I thought Anar was formed from a fruit... hS

05-04-2019, 09:56 AM	#5248
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	And there we have it! 1: VALACIRCA 2: ILLUIN 3: REMMIRATH 4: RANA 5: GOLDEN FLOWER 6: EARENDIL 7: SORONUME 8: TELEMEHTAR (Note on #5: The "Golden Flower" of Glorfindel's House was the Sun, poetically expressed. River = FLOW-ER) Over to Urwen.... __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it. Last edited by William Cloud Hicklin; 05-04-2019 at 09:59 AM.

05-04-2019, 10:10 AM	#5249
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Ea! Let it be! This one is.....well, you'll see.... 1. A puzzle gains direction for him 2. A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her 3. Muddled distant reverse edge for him. 4. Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this. 5. A vehicle, noted. She appears 6. Muddle up his task to get his name. 7. Note Maltese money, returned. For her 8. Mix this compound for him 9. Greet the key for her 10. Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her 11. Mixed complex plant tissue, for him __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-04-2019, 11:22 AM	#5251
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Golden Flower is really clever! Or ... well ... Silver Flower would have been. Did we ever find out what the leer was? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 05-04-2019 at 11:41 AM.

05-04-2019, 11:25 AM	#5252
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	6. Vana? (van + a). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-04-2019, 11:30 AM	#5253
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	1. A puzzle gains direction for him 2. A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her 3. Muddled distant reverse edge for him. 4. Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this. VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears 6. Muddle up his task to get his name. 7. Note Maltese money, returned. For her 8. Mix this compound for him 9. Greet the key for her 10. Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her 11. Mixed complex plant tissue, for him __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-04-2019, 11:46 AM	#5254
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	3. FARAMIR? (Afar + rim). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-04-2019, 11:48 AM	#5255
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	1. A puzzle gains direction for him 2. A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him. 4. Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this. VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears 6. Muddle up his task to get his name. 7. Note Maltese money, returned. For her 8. Mix this compound for him 9. Greet the key for her 10. Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her 11. Mixed complex plant tissue, for him __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-04-2019, 11:49 AM	#5256
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	The password and the theme are the same, by the way. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-04-2019, 12:06 PM	#5257
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	No favourite? (Faramir wasn't the favourite son). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-04-2019, 12:20 PM	#5258
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	"Eastern leer"- Kurosawa's last great samurai epic was Ran, a reimagining of King Lear in feudal Japan. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-04-2019, 12:30 PM	#5260
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	My favourite? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-04-2019, 12:30 PM	#5261
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	7: Tar-Miriel? (LIRA + REMIT) __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-04-2019, 12:50 PM	#5263
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Ah - North American spelling! That's why I was one letter over and put the singular. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-04-2019, 12:55 PM	#5264
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Is WY Wyoming? If so, EOWYN (EON + WY) for the Y clue, with Y not the first letter. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-04-2019, 01:21 PM	#5265
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Choosing this theme might have been a mistake. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-04-2019, 02:06 PM	#5266
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	All right, got it LIRA + TI backwards = ITARIL (Quenya for Sind. Idril) __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-04-2019, 02:18 PM	#5267
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	Enigma + L = Maeglin __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-04-2019, 02:27 PM	#5268
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him. A: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this. VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears O: Muddle up his task to get his name. IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her I: Mix this compound for him T: Greet the key for her TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 05-05-2019 at 02:45 AM.

05-04-2019, 05:45 PM	#5269
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	For the A, FINI+S = ISFIN = AREDHEL? __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it. Last edited by William Cloud Hicklin; 05-04-2019 at 05:49 PM.

05-05-2019, 04:22 AM	#5271
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	And still none of Hurin's offspring, nor any hint of them! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 05-05-2019 at 04:26 AM.

05-05-2019, 04:34 AM	#5273
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	The only thing even near a task/character anagram I can think of is Tuor/tour, but I think you said somewhere that you don't like him. Unless Fingolfin was tasked with going golfing with Finns (or fins!) __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-05-2019, 04:49 AM	#5275
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Ah ... might LALAITH be HAIL + ALT? (I had considered just about every kind of key except the ones on a computer keyboard). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-05-2019, 05:01 AM	#5276
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Spot on MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him. AREDHEL: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this. VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears O: Muddle up his task to get his name. IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her I: Mix this compound for him LALAITH: Greet the key for her TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-05-2019, 10:59 AM	#5277
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	It's a stretch, but could the O be WON OVER = VORONWE? (part of V's task was to "win over" Gondolin's guards and get Tuor in) __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-05-2019, 01:01 PM	#5279
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Was ELMO a spy? (Mole). Did NORI do the IRONing? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."