ROTK- Celeborn the Cardboard Cut-Out - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Silmiel of Imladris · 12-21-2003, 10:57 AM

I call Celeborn a cardboard cut-out because he had no lines in ROTK he just kind of stands there. A paper stand up could have done his job. Anyway were you guys glad he was in there and do you think he will have a bigger role in the EE? I was happy to see him and I am hoping he will get some lines in EE for I feel that the elves have been a little neglected in this movie. Opinions?

Lyta_Underhill · 12-21-2003, 11:12 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I was happy to see him and I am hoping he will get some lines in EE for I feel that the elves have been a little neglected in this movie. Opinions?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have my doubts that Celeborn will get to utter a favorite line: "May your doom be other than mine, and your treasure remain with you until the end," since Aragorn isn't there and I can't see him saying it to Sam, and since Celeborn stays for many years after Galadriel leaves, I'd call it anachronistic that he is there at the harbor with her. (Of course they didn't really show him getting on the ship...hmmmm...) Cheers! Lyta

Lost One · 12-21-2003, 12:05 PM

In the film, so far as I recall, they definitively call this the last ship, so if Celeborn didn't go, he'd never get to the Undying Lands (a bit worrying where this leaves Legolas!) They are clearly simplifying like mad, and thought it would be unnecessary to elaborate on the longer-term fate of elves in Middle-earth. Leaving him out might well just create needless distracting questions at the end. Anyway, he was probably standing in for his relative Cirdan. I'm not sure I'd put money on him getting any lines in the EE, though. However, I would expect the Grey Havens to be a longer scene, with more about the Three Rings (Gandalf's was clearly visible, although not mentioned).

Finwe · 12-21-2003, 12:37 PM

Lost One, why would he have to stand in for Cirdan, when Cirdan was already there? If you keep your eyes peeled, as they're zooming in on Elrond, Celeborn, and Galadriel, you can see that there's an Elf off to one side with silver hair and dark robes. That is Cirdan.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 12-21-2003, 01:49 PM

I actually hope they don't expand the Grey Havens scene, because I love it the way it is. Maybe some explanation before it, or something, but I think too much talking would ruin the perfect emotional weight of that scene (it got me both times I've seen ROTK). That would mean no more lines for Celeborn, but that doesn't really bother me.

doug*platypus · 12-21-2003, 04:15 PM

Yeah, it was actually nice to see Celeborn there. I've got a much higher opinion of him and the actor who played him since seeing the extended edition of The Fellowship of the Ring. It didn't bother me at all that he had no lines. I was more disgruntled at the fact that no commoner in Minas Tirith has anything to say about this whole new king business. Plus, I don't know why you'd want him butting in and ruining an exceptional scene. It was all about the hobbits and Gandalf, and so it should have been. It would have been nice, however to see a few more elves around. It all looked very desolate.

Silmiel of Imladris · 12-21-2003, 05:07 PM

What I had hoped for at the end was a voice over by Galadriel explaining what happened to Legolas and Gimil etc. I do hope I see something that explains that Legolas and Gimli sailed away together.

Gorwingel · 12-21-2003, 08:00 PM

Celeborn was there! I personally don't remember seeing him, but I guess that is good. I did see Cirdan, I noticed him almost immediately. Could someone please tell me exactly in what scene Celeborn showed up?And just to add... Remember I did see the 12 o'clock showing of ROTK, so if he showed up at the end it was after 3. So maybe my eyes where just a tad bit tired. I will be going to another showing soon though and I won't miss him that time.[ 3:52 AM December 22, 2003: Message edited by: Gorwingel ]

doug*platypus · 12-21-2003, 09:28 PM

Captain Disobvious. Unobvious? Antiobvious?He's actually easier to see than Círdan! A little closer to the camera. Most visible, I think when Elrond steps onto the ship (although I might be wrong). He is standing next to Galadriel.

Everdawn · 12-22-2003, 03:27 AM

Funny you say that, but there was a joke about Celeborn being a Card Board Cut Out in MOVIE BLOOPERS 1 in M-E Myrth. When i can find it ill post it.

12-21-2003, 10:57 AM	#1
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	ROTK- Celeborn the Cardboard Cut-Out I call Celeborn a cardboard cut-out because he had no lines in ROTK he just kind of stands there. A paper stand up could have done his job. Anyway were you guys glad he was in there and do you think he will have a bigger role in the EE? I was happy to see him and I am hoping he will get some lines in EE for I feel that the elves have been a little neglected in this movie. Opinions? __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

12-21-2003, 11:12 AM	#2
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I was happy to see him and I am hoping he will get some lines in EE for I feel that the elves have been a little neglected in this movie. Opinions?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have my doubts that Celeborn will get to utter a favorite line: "May your doom be other than mine, and your treasure remain with you until the end," since Aragorn isn't there and I can't see him saying it to Sam, and since Celeborn stays for many years after Galadriel leaves, I'd call it anachronistic that he is there at the harbor with her. (Of course they didn't really show him getting on the ship...hmmmm...) <P>Cheers!<BR>Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

12-21-2003, 12:37 PM	#4
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Lost One, why would he have to stand in for Cirdan, when Cirdan was already there? If you keep your eyes peeled, as they're zooming in on Elrond, Celeborn, and Galadriel, you can see that there's an Elf off to one side with silver hair and dark robes. That is Cirdan. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

12-21-2003, 01:49 PM	#5
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	I actually hope they don't expand the Grey Havens scene, because I love it the way it is. Maybe some explanation before it, or something, but I think too much talking would ruin the perfect emotional weight of that scene (it got me both times I've seen ROTK). That would mean no more lines for Celeborn, but that doesn't really bother me. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

12-21-2003, 04:15 PM	#6
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Yeah, it was actually nice to see Celeborn there. I've got a much higher opinion of him and the actor who played him since seeing the extended edition of <I>The Fellowship of the Ring</I>. It didn't bother me at all that he had no lines. I was more disgruntled at the fact that no commoner in Minas Tirith has anything to say about this whole new king business. <P>Plus, I don't know why you'd want him butting in and ruining an exceptional scene. It was all about the hobbits and Gandalf, and so it should have been. It would have been nice, however to see a few more elves around. It all looked very desolate. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

12-21-2003, 12:05 PM	#3
Lost One Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 67	In the film, so far as I recall, they definitively call this the last ship, so if Celeborn didn't go, he'd never get to the Undying Lands (a bit worrying where this leaves Legolas!) They are clearly simplifying like mad, and thought it would be unnecessary to elaborate on the longer-term fate of elves in Middle-earth. Leaving him out might well just create needless distracting questions at the end. Anyway, he was probably standing in for his relative Cirdan. I'm not sure I'd put money on him getting any lines in the EE, though. However, I would expect the Grey Havens to be a longer scene, with more about the Three Rings (Gandalf's was clearly visible, although not mentioned).

12-21-2003, 05:07 PM	#7
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	What I had hoped for at the end was a voice over by Galadriel explaining what happened to Legolas and Gimil etc. I do hope I see something that explains that Legolas and Gimli sailed away together. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

12-21-2003, 08:00 PM	#8
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Celeborn was there! I personally don't remember seeing him, but I guess that is good. I did see Cirdan, I noticed him almost immediately. Could someone please tell me exactly in what scene Celeborn showed up?<P>And just to add...<BR>Remember I did see the 12 o'clock showing of ROTK, so if he showed up at the end it was after 3. So maybe my eyes where just a tad bit tired. I will be going to another showing soon though and I won't miss him that time.<p>[ 3:52 AM December 22, 2003: Message edited by: Gorwingel ] __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

12-21-2003, 09:28 PM	#9
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	<B>Captain Disobvious. Unobvious? Antiobvious?</B><P>He's actually easier to see than Círdan! A little closer to the camera. Most visible, I think when Elrond steps onto the ship (although I might be wrong). He is standing next to Galadriel. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

12-22-2003, 03:27 AM	#10
Everdawn Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the sand dunes outside of Ilium, watching it burn. Posts: 1,291	Funny you say that, but there was a joke about Celeborn being a Card Board Cut Out in MOVIE BLOOPERS 1 in M-E Myrth. When i can find it ill post it. __________________ "Athena, stepping up behind him, visible to no one but Achillies, gripped his red-gold hair. Startled he made a half turn, and he knew her upon the instant for Athena." ~The Iliad~ ~My lord, Éomer~