Palantir of Fortune! - Page 267 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pitchwife · 03-11-2009, 02:54 AM

Tuor, you've got it! The speaker is Feanor, defending the correct pronunciation of þ in Quenya (and deriding that adopted by his stepmother Indis and her children); from The Shibboleth of Feanor, HoME XII. Probably rather esoteric...

Anyway, it's your turn.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-11-2009, 07:11 AM

Thanks. You must be one of those real M-E
specialists. I have some of CT's specialist
volumes on M-E but haven't really read/studied
them. I'm out for a while but will try to post
sometime today.

Guinevere · 03-11-2009, 09:48 AM

Aha, that's the solution of this riddle! I was sure that I had never read this quote before.

@Pitchwife: in this thread we use quotes from LotR, The Hobbit, The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales.
For the HoME, there is a separate "Palantir of Fortune"-thread here.
As you see, nobody posted there since almost 2 years, but you are welcome to revive it!

For Tolkien's "Minor Works" there is also a separate Palantir of Fortune thread.

Inziladun · 03-11-2009, 10:23 AM

I had concluded it was one of Finwë's descendants speaking, but like Guinevere I was flummoxed as to the source.

Pitchwife · 03-11-2009, 11:25 AM

Apologies to everybody - I wasn't aware that there are different Palantírs for different sources, though I guess I could have found out if I had tried. And I wasn't trying to show off (welll... maybe a little bit

). By the way, guess where I first learned that this obscure text exists?

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-11-2009, 01:06 PM

Interesting. And on reconsideration, since I didn't get
the speaker, why not someone else take the next
quote? Whoever's ready first.

Inziladun · 03-11-2009, 07:39 PM

You were the closest to having it, Tuor, so I've no problem with you going ahead.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-11-2009, 07:56 PM

Fair enough. try this one:

- - - ' - / - - - - - / - - - - - - - - - / - - - - - - - / - - - - - - , / - - /
- - - - - - - - - / - - - / - - - - / - - - - - - / - - / - - - .

Mnemosyne · 03-11-2009, 08:34 PM

T

Inziladun · 03-11-2009, 08:37 PM

M for me.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 03-11-2009, 08:47 PM

C, please!

Guinevere · 03-12-2009, 03:51 AM

Are there any O's?

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-12-2009, 07:04 AM

- o - ' t / - t - - t / - - - m - - - - - / - - - - - - t / o - - - - - , / o - /
- o m - t - - - - / - - - / - - - - / - - - - - - / - o / - o - .

tomc (no "c"s)

Guinevere · 03-12-2009, 07:50 AM

S pleassse

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-12-2009, 12:02 PM

- o - ' t / s t - - t / - - - m - - - - - / - - - - - s t / o - - - - s , / o - /
- o m - t - - - - / - - - / - - - - / - - - - - - / - o / - o - .

stomc (no "c"s)

Aganzir · 03-12-2009, 02:08 PM

R's?

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-12-2009, 03:32 PM

- o - ' t / s t - r t / -r- - m - - - - - / - - - - - s t / o r - - r s , / o r /
- o m - t - - - - / - - - / - - - - / - - - - - - / - o / - o - .

rstomc (no "c"s)

Inziladun · 03-12-2009, 05:01 PM

How about E?

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 03-12-2009, 05:07 PM

A?

Eönwë · 03-12-2009, 05:24 PM

An 'N' would be useful

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-12-2009, 05:34 PM

- o n ' t / s t a r t / -r- - m - - - n - / a - a - n s t / o r - e r s , / o r /
- o m e t - - n - / - a - / - - - - / - a - - e n / - o / - o - .

Toms crane (no "c"s)

Inziladun · 03-12-2009, 06:10 PM

I have the words worked out, and it's maddeningly familiar, but I can't place the speaker...

EDIT- Finally got it.

Quote:

Don't start grumbling against orders, or something bad will happen to you.

Thorin to Bombur in Mirkwood.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-12-2009, 08:12 PM

That's it. The quote was selective to
make it suggestive of, say, an orc.

Your turn.

Inziladun · 03-13-2009, 06:44 PM

You indeed had me thinking along those lines, which is the reason I found it so vexing.

Here's the next:

- -/ - - - -/ - - - - -/ - -/ - -/ - - -/. - - -/ - - - - - -/ - -/ - - - - -/ - - -/
- - - - - - -/, - - - - - -/ - -/ - -/ - -/ - - -/ - - - - -/ - -/ - - -/ - - - - - -/.

Eönwë · 03-14-2009, 07:28 AM

Any "O"s?

Inziladun · 03-14-2009, 08:19 AM

O

- -/ - - - -/ - - - - -/ - -/ o -/ - - -/. - - -/ - - - - - -/ - -/ - - - - -/ - o -/
- o - - - - -/, - - o - - -/ - -/ - -/ - -/ - - -/ - o - - -/ o -/ - - -/ - - - - - -/.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 03-15-2009, 02:01 AM

I?

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-15-2009, 07:33 AM

"a"s, please.

Guinevere · 03-15-2009, 07:50 AM

N please

Inziladun · 03-15-2009, 08:21 AM

OIAN

- -/ - i - -/ - - - i -/ - -/ o -/ a - -/. - - -/ - - - - - -/ - -/ - - a - -/ n o -/
- o - - a n -/, - - o - - -/ i -/ - -/ - -/ - - -/ - o - - -/ o -/ - i -/ - a - - - -/.

Guinevere · 03-15-2009, 08:25 AM

T-time!

Inziladun · 03-15-2009, 08:27 AM

OIANT

- -/ - i - -/ - t - i -/ - -/ o -/ a - -/. - - t/ - - - - - -/ - -/ - - a - -/ n o t/
- o - - a n -/, - - o - - -/ i t/ - -/ - -/ - - -/ - o - t -/ o -/ - i -/ - a t - - -/.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-15-2009, 01:58 PM

"F"s?

Guinevere · 03-15-2009, 02:03 PM

How about R?

Inziladun · 03-15-2009, 07:56 PM

OIANTFR
My apologies for leaving out a couple of Ts previously.

- -/ - i - -/ - t r i -/ - -/ o f/ a - -/. - - t/ - - - - - f/ - -/ - - a - -/ n o t/
- o - - a n -/, t - o - - -/ i t/ - -/ - -/ t - -/ - o - t h/ o f/ h i -/ f a t h - r/.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-15-2009, 08:27 PM

"L"s?

Inziladun · 03-16-2009, 07:15 AM

OIANTFRL

- -/ - i l l/ - t r i -/ - -/ o f/ a l l/. - - t/ - - - - l f/ - -/ - - a l l/ n o t/
- o - - a n -/, t - o - - -/ i t/ - -/ - -/ t - -/ - o - t h/ o f/ h i -/ f a t h - r/.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-16-2009, 07:32 AM

"h"s, please.

Guinevere · 03-16-2009, 02:47 PM

"He will strip me of all. But myself he shall not command, though it be by the mouth of his father."

The thoughts of Erendis (about Aldarion).

Inziladun · 03-16-2009, 04:53 PM

You have it, Guinevere.
The thread's yours.

03-11-2009, 02:54 AM	#10641
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Tuor, you've got it! The speaker is Feanor, defending the correct pronunciation of þ in Quenya (and deriding that adopted by his stepmother Indis and her children); from The Shibboleth of Feanor, HoME XII. Probably rather esoteric... Anyway, it's your turn. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

03-11-2009, 07:11 AM	#10642
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Thanks. You must be one of those real M-E specialists. I have some of CT's specialist volumes on M-E but haven't really read/studied them. I'm out for a while but will try to post sometime today. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-11-2009, 09:48 AM	#10643
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Aha, that's the solution of this riddle! I was sure that I had never read this quote before. @Pitchwife: in this thread we use quotes from LotR, The Hobbit, The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales. For the HoME, there is a separate "Palantir of Fortune"-thread here. As you see, nobody posted there since almost 2 years, but you are welcome to revive it! For Tolkien's "Minor Works" there is also a separate Palantir of Fortune thread. __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-11-2009, 10:23 AM	#10644
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	I had concluded it was one of Finwë's descendants speaking, but like Guinevere I was flummoxed as to the source. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-11-2009, 11:25 AM	#10645
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Apologies to everybody - I wasn't aware that there are different Palantírs for different sources, though I guess I could have found out if I had tried. And I wasn't trying to show off (welll... maybe a little bit). By the way, guess where I first learned that this obscure text exists? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

03-11-2009, 01:06 PM	#10646
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Interesting. And on reconsideration, since I didn't get the speaker, why not someone else take the next quote? Whoever's ready first. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-11-2009, 07:39 PM	#10647
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	You were the closest to having it, Tuor, so I've no problem with you going ahead. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-11-2009, 07:56 PM	#10648
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Fair enough. try this one: - - - ' - / - - - - - / - - - - - - - - - / - - - - - - - / - - - - - - , / - - / - - - - - - - - - / - - - / - - - - / - - - - - - / - - / - - - . __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-11-2009, 08:34 PM	#10649
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	T __________________ Got corsets?

03-11-2009, 08:37 PM	#10650
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	M for me. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-11-2009, 08:47 PM	#10651
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	C, please! __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

03-12-2009, 03:51 AM	#10652
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Are there any O's? __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-12-2009, 07:04 AM	#10653
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	- o - ' t / - t - - t / - - - m - - - - - / - - - - - - t / o - - - - - , / o - / - o m - t - - - - / - - - / - - - - / - - - - - - / - o / - o - . tomc (no "c"s) __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-12-2009, 07:50 AM	#10654
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	S pleassse __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-12-2009, 12:02 PM	#10655
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	- o - ' t / s t - - t / - - - m - - - - - / - - - - - s t / o - - - - s , / o - / - o m - t - - - - / - - - / - - - - / - - - - - - / - o / - o - . stomc (no "c"s) __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-12-2009, 02:08 PM	#10656
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	R's? __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

03-12-2009, 03:32 PM	#10657
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	- o - ' t / s t - r t / -r- - m - - - - - / - - - - - s t / o r - - r s , / o r / - o m - t - - - - / - - - / - - - - / - - - - - - / - o / - o - . rstomc (no "c"s) __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-12-2009, 05:01 PM	#10658
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	How about E? __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-12-2009, 05:07 PM	#10659
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	A? __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

03-12-2009, 05:24 PM	#10660
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	An 'N' would be useful __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

03-12-2009, 05:34 PM	#10661
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	- o n ' t / s t a r t / -r- - m - - - n - / a - a - n s t / o r - e r s , / o r / - o m e t - - n - / - a - / - - - - / - a - - e n / - o / - o - . Toms crane (no "c"s) __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-12-2009, 08:12 PM	#10663
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	That's it. The quote was selective to make it suggestive of, say, an orc. Your turn. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-13-2009, 06:44 PM	#10664
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	You indeed had me thinking along those lines, which is the reason I found it so vexing. Here's the next: - -/ - - - -/ - - - - -/ - -/ - -/ - - -/. - - -/ - - - - - -/ - -/ - - - - -/ - - -/ - - - - - - -/, - - - - - -/ - -/ - -/ - -/ - - -/ - - - - -/ - -/ - - -/ - - - - - -/. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-14-2009, 07:28 AM	#10665
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Any "O"s? __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

03-14-2009, 08:19 AM	#10666
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	O - -/ - - - -/ - - - - -/ - -/ o -/ - - -/. - - -/ - - - - - -/ - -/ - - - - -/ - o -/ - o - - - - -/, - - o - - -/ - -/ - -/ - -/ - - -/ - o - - -/ o -/ - - -/ - - - - - -/. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-15-2009, 02:01 AM	#10667
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	I? __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

03-15-2009, 07:33 AM	#10668
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	"a"s, please. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-15-2009, 07:50 AM	#10669
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	N please __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-15-2009, 08:21 AM	#10670
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	OIAN - -/ - i - -/ - - - i -/ - -/ o -/ a - -/. - - -/ - - - - - -/ - -/ - - a - -/ n o -/ - o - - a n -/, - - o - - -/ i -/ - -/ - -/ - - -/ - o - - -/ o -/ - i -/ - a - - - -/. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-15-2009, 08:25 AM	#10671
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	T-time! __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-15-2009, 08:27 AM	#10672
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	OIANT - -/ - i - -/ - t - i -/ - -/ o -/ a - -/. - - t/ - - - - - -/ - -/ - - a - -/ n o t/ - o - - a n -/, - - o - - -/ i t/ - -/ - -/ - - -/ - o - t -/ o -/ - i -/ - a t - - -/. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-15-2009, 01:58 PM	#10673
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	"F"s? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-15-2009, 02:03 PM	#10674
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	How about R? __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-15-2009, 07:56 PM	#10675
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	OIANTFR My apologies for leaving out a couple of Ts previously. - -/ - i - -/ - t r i -/ - -/ o f/ a - -/. - - t/ - - - - - f/ - -/ - - a - -/ n o t/ - o - - a n -/, t - o - - -/ i t/ - -/ - -/ t - -/ - o - t h/ o f/ h i -/ f a t h - r/. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-15-2009, 08:27 PM	#10676
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	"L"s? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'