Pronounciation - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eönwë · 02-06-2008, 05:31 PM

Need I say more?

edit: You might have seen this or this thread, and complain that I am making new posts, but they are not the same.

And I am especially referring to user names

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 02-16-2008, 02:26 PM

Are you asking about your own name? The diereses indicate that there are three syllables. So phonologically, I would suggest saying it as Ay-On-Wi.

Eönwë · 02-17-2008, 01:17 PM

Not just mine.

Anyway, wouldn't mine be more like ee-on-way or eh-on-weh?

Ibri's is a challenge though.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-17-2008, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Anyway, wouldn't mine be more like ee-on-way or eh-on-weh?

Why can't the English people ever pronounce anything normally?

I believe it should be e (as in "red") - on (as in "on"

) - vee (as in "veeery good!").

And Ibri should maybe tell us personally...

Macalaure · 02-17-2008, 04:12 PM

*is happy that the Elvish pronounciation of vowels is almost identical to the German one*

I think Eönwë is correct with eh-on-weh. The 'e' needs to be the way Legate said, but 'eh' is simpler and close enough. The 'w' definitely has to be pronounced as an English 'w' and not like a 'v'.

And now, for a challenge...

ee-bree-nee-theel-pah-thah-neh-zehl?

And for completeness' sake...
mahk-ahl-ow-reh

(the first 'th' in Ibri's name should be soft, and the 'r's should be trilled)

Finduilas · 02-17-2008, 04:27 PM

Actually, it sounds cool the German way. Go Germans!

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 02-17-2008, 05:36 PM

Ibrîniðilpathânezel. Heck of a word. To the best of my knowledge, the circumflexes are used to indicate long vowel sounds rather than short, and the eth (ð) represents the voiced th, as in "them." Since precious little is known about Valarin, save for a few words and the fact that the Elves didn't like listening to it, one can presume that it doesn't follow all the same pronunciation rules as in Quenya or even Sindarin. There is no doubt at least one secondary accent in the word, given its length, but perhaps not -- that would certainly make a rather "alien" sound to lyrical Elvish ears. If one uses short i as in pin, short a as in pat, short e as in men, long I as in time, and long A as in day, and the ð as the th in them (indicated by an underscored th), then what I hear comes out as:

ih-brine-ih-thill-pa-thay-NEH-zell

In my head, it's a bit sing-songish, with very weak secondary accents on every other syllable, beginning with the first, and the strong accent on the penultimate.

More confusion, hmm???

Bêthberry · 02-17-2008, 06:54 PM

Well, Estelyn Telcontar and I have discussed the pronounciation of this user name: Groin Redbeard.

She favours the Tolkien pronounciation. I think he's having a bit of fun with our board rules and Tolkien's own linguistic legerdemain.

02-06-2008, 05:31 PM	#1
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,953	Pronounciation Need I say more? edit: You might have seen this or this thread, and complain that I am making new posts, but they are not the same. And I am especially referring to user names __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place Last edited by Eönwë; 02-08-2008 at 04:39 PM.

02-16-2008, 02:26 PM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,916	Are you asking about your own name? The diereses indicate that there are three syllables. So phonologically, I would suggest saying it as Ay-On-Wi. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

02-17-2008, 01:17 PM	#3
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,953	Not just mine. Anyway, wouldn't mine be more like ee-on-way or eh-on-weh? Ibri's is a challenge though. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

02-17-2008, 04:27 PM	#6
Finduilas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Home. Where rolling green hills and clear rivers are practically my backyard. Posts: 600	Actually, it sounds cool the German way. Go Germans! __________________ One (1) book of rules and traffic regulations, which may not be bent or broken. ~ The Phantom Tollbooth

02-17-2008, 05:36 PM	#7
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 743	Ibrîniðilpathânezel. Heck of a word. To the best of my knowledge, the circumflexes are used to indicate long vowel sounds rather than short, and the eth (ð) represents the voiced th, as in "them." Since precious little is known about Valarin, save for a few words and the fact that the Elves didn't like listening to it, one can presume that it doesn't follow all the same pronunciation rules as in Quenya or even Sindarin. There is no doubt at least one secondary accent in the word, given its length, but perhaps not -- that would certainly make a rather "alien" sound to lyrical Elvish ears. If one uses short i as in pin, short a as in pat, short e as in men, long I as in time, and long A as in day, and the ð as the th in them (indicated by an underscored th), then what I hear comes out as: ih-brine-ih-thill-pa-thay-NEH-zell In my head, it's a bit sing-songish, with very weak secondary accents on every other syllable, beginning with the first, and the strong accent on the penultimate. More confusion, hmm??? __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

02-17-2008, 04:12 PM	#5
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,921	is happy that the Elvish pronounciation of vowels is almost identical to the German one I think Eönwë is correct with eh-on-weh. The 'e' needs to be the way Legate said, but 'eh' is simpler and close enough. The 'w' definitely has to be pronounced as an English 'w' and not like a 'v'. And now, for a challenge... ee-bree-nee-theel-pah-thah-neh-zehl? And for completeness' sake... mahk-ahl-ow-reh (the first 'th' in Ibri's name should be soft, and the 'r's should be trilled)

02-17-2008, 06:54 PM	#8
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,046	one syllabub, two syllabub, rub a dub dub Well, Estelyn Telcontar and I have discussed the pronounciation of this user name: Groin Redbeard. She favours the Tolkien pronounciation. I think he's having a bit of fun with our board rules and Tolkien's own linguistic legerdemain. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away. Last edited by Bêthberry; 02-17-2008 at 06:57 PM.