The Mouth of Sauron - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Wraith · 01-06-2004, 03:23 PM

What is this dude?And is he gonna be in the extended edition of the movie?Oh by the way, any of you ever played a old game called Eye Of The Beholder?Closely based on LOTR I think.

Linaeve · 01-06-2004, 03:25 PM

If I remember correctly, the Mouth of Sauron is basically a guy that interprets Sauron's will. Forgive me for being sacrilegious, but I think you could interpret him as a kind of prophet. He didn't really play that crucial a role, though, so I don't think any injury was done by leaving him out of the movies.

The Wraith · 01-06-2004, 03:28 PM

But although Sauron didn't have a body in the film, he did in the books.So why would he need someone to interpret his will when the big fella can come and tell you himself?

metropolis_part_one · 01-06-2004, 03:38 PM

He didn't 'interpret' the will of Sauron, he was a messenger of Sauron. He is in the book and will be in the extended edition of the film. Also, Sauron does not have a body in the book.

Silmiel of Imladris · 01-06-2004, 03:38 PM

Uhhh to my knowledge Sauron was an eye in the books too. As to what the Mouth is, he is a black Numenorean but I can't tell much more than that without guessing a lot.

DarkRose · 01-06-2004, 04:11 PM

The Mouth of Sauron was a part of Sauron, as his name suggests. As one could guess, he is the deliverer of Sauron's messages, a messenger. He has been completely corrupted and no longer remembers his own name or independent identity.

metropolis_part_one · 01-06-2004, 04:23 PM

DarkRose, I don't think he was a 'part of Sauron', even if we was totally corrupted - because he seems to have his own ambitions. In his conversation he says that Orthanc must be given to a leuitenant of Sauron's "more worthy of trust" than Saruman, and then looking into his eyes they realise that he is to be that leuitenant and become a tyrant himself. It sounds to me as if he had a lustful look or a proud gleam in his eye when he said this, and this is how they knew. So he seems to desire to become powerful himself. If he was actually a part of Sauron he would not feel any pleasure at this thought, but he does, since he is an individual.

DarkRose · 01-06-2004, 09:06 PM

Hm, I never looked at it that way, m_p_o. I do see what you mean. I suppose I've always thought of him as the actual embodiment of the mouth of Sauron, so to speak. I thought he had no aspirations or greedy hopes. I thought he knew only to do his lord's bidding.But yes, I see it your way. Thanks for pointing that out.

Knight of Gondor · 01-06-2004, 10:09 PM

First he's got an Eye, then they meet his mouth...who knows, one day he may get a nose!!

Lobelia · 01-07-2004, 03:57 AM

The Mouth gets a mention in the Weapons Guide, so he should be there in the extended version. I believe the role is being played by Bruce Spence, an Australian actor best known for his comedy (you may have seen him in Mad Max 2 - a very tall man).It should be interesting to see how they manage it. As I recall, what the Mouth did was try to convince Our Heroes that Frodo was imprisoned by showing his mithril shirt, cloak, etc. which one of the orcs had run off with. I don't *think* that happened in the movie ... did it? They both got killed.As for whether Sauron in the book has a body ... didn't someone say at one stage that the idea was to capture Frodo and torture him by making him see the Ring *on Sauron's hand*? If he hasn't a body, he can't have a hand, can he?

DarkRose · 01-07-2004, 07:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>First he's got an Eye, then they meet his mouth...who knows, one day he may get a nose!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>-laughs- You're right! And maybe he'll also get an ear, or an elbow! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>As I recall, what the Mouth did was try to convince Our Heroes that Frodo was imprisoned by showing his mithril shirt, cloak, etc. which one of the orcs had run off with. I don't *think* that happened in the movie ... did it? They both got killed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>In Cirith Ungol in the ROTK film, the orcs were arguing over the mithril vest. I'm not sure, but perhaps in the EE they will show one of the orcs running off with it. They left that out of the theatrical version, I believe.According to the ROTK video game (which you probably can't go by) the Mouth looks a bit odd, to me. He has on a very strange helmet and a skirt-like thing. I'm hoping he'll look better in the EE.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-07-2004, 11:09 AM

To discuss whether the Mouth of Sauron will be in the RotK Extended Edition, click <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002504" TARGET=_blank>here</A> or <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002607" TARGET=_blank>here</A>.To learn more about the Mouth of Sauron in the book, click <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001488" TARGET=_blank>here</A>.To find out about Sauron and whether he was physically incarnate during the War of the Ring try <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search&search_forum=1" TARGET=_blank>searching</A> in Books or N&N under “Sauron” (he was, but he wasn’t just a giant, red, flaming eyeball).Thread closed, as a duplicate on multiple counts.

01-06-2004, 03:23 PM	#1
The Wraith Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: York Posts: 19	The Mouth of Sauron What is this dude?And is he gonna be in the extended edition of the movie?Oh by the way, any of you ever played a old game called Eye Of The Beholder?Closely based on LOTR I think.

01-06-2004, 03:25 PM	#2
Linaeve Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 37	If I remember correctly, the Mouth of Sauron is basically a guy that interprets Sauron's will. Forgive me for being sacrilegious, but I think you could interpret him as a kind of prophet. He didn't really play that crucial a role, though, so I don't think any injury was done by leaving him out of the movies. __________________ I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine and he shall be my Squishy. -Dory, from Finding Nemo

01-06-2004, 03:38 PM	#4
metropolis_part_one Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25	He didn't 'interpret' the will of Sauron, he was a messenger of Sauron. He is in the book and will be in the extended edition of the film. Also, Sauron does not have a body in the book. __________________ For forty days and forty nights They rode through red blood to the knee And they saw neither sun nor moon But heard the roaring of the sea

01-06-2004, 03:38 PM	#5
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	Uhhh to my knowledge Sauron was an eye in the books too. As to what the Mouth is, he is a black Numenorean but I can't tell much more than that without guessing a lot. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

01-06-2004, 04:11 PM	#6
DarkRose Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sauron's Garden Posts: 157	The Mouth of Sauron was a part of Sauron, as his name suggests. As one could guess, he is the deliverer of Sauron's messages, a messenger. He has been completely corrupted and no longer remembers his own name or independent identity. __________________ "All rivers go to the sea, yet never does the sea become full."

01-06-2004, 03:28 PM	#3
The Wraith Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: York Posts: 19	But although Sauron didn't have a body in the film, he did in the books.So why would he need someone to interpret his will when the big fella can come and tell you himself?

01-06-2004, 04:23 PM	#7
metropolis_part_one Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25	DarkRose, I don't think he was a 'part of Sauron', even if we was totally corrupted - because he seems to have his own ambitions. In his conversation he says that Orthanc must be given to a leuitenant of Sauron's "more worthy of trust" than Saruman, and then looking into his eyes they realise that he is to be that leuitenant and become a tyrant himself. It sounds to me as if he had a lustful look or a proud gleam in his eye when he said this, and this is how they knew. So he seems to desire to become powerful himself. If he was actually a part of Sauron he would not feel any pleasure at this thought, but he does, since he is an individual. __________________ For forty days and forty nights They rode through red blood to the knee And they saw neither sun nor moon But heard the roaring of the sea

01-06-2004, 09:06 PM	#8
DarkRose Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sauron's Garden Posts: 157	Hm, I never looked at it that way, m_p_o</b>. I do see what you mean. I suppose I've always thought of him as the actual embodiment of the <i>mouth</i> of Sauron, so to speak. I thought he had no aspirations or greedy hopes. I thought he knew only to do his lord's bidding.<P>But yes, I see it your way. Thanks for pointing that out. __________________ "All rivers go to the sea, yet never does the sea become full."

01-06-2004, 10:09 PM	#9
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	First he's got an Eye, then they meet his mouth...who knows, one day he may get a nose!! __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-07-2004, 03:57 AM	#10
Lobelia Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 150	The Mouth gets a mention in the Weapons Guide, so he should be there in the extended version. I believe the role is being played by Bruce Spence, an Australian actor best known for his comedy (you may have seen him in Mad Max 2 - a very tall man).<P>It should be interesting to see how they manage it. As I recall, what the Mouth did was try to convince Our Heroes that Frodo was imprisoned by showing his mithril shirt, cloak, etc. which one of the orcs had run off with. I don't think that happened in the movie ... did it? They both got killed.<P>As for whether Sauron in the book has a body ... didn't someone say at one stage that the idea was to capture Frodo and torture him by making him see the Ring on Sauron's hand? If he hasn't a body, he can't have a hand, can he?

01-07-2004, 07:05 AM	#11
DarkRose Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sauron's Garden Posts: 157	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>First he's got an Eye, then they meet his mouth...who knows, one day he may get a nose!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>-laughs- You're right! And maybe he'll also get an ear, or an elbow! <P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>As I recall, what the Mouth did was try to convince Our Heroes that Frodo was imprisoned by showing his mithril shirt, cloak, etc. which one of the orcs had run off with. I don't think that happened in the movie ... did it? They both got killed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>In Cirith Ungol in the ROTK film, the orcs were arguing over the mithril vest. I'm not sure, but perhaps in the EE they will show one of the orcs running off with it. They left that out of the theatrical version, I believe.<P>According to the ROTK video game (which you probably can't go by) the Mouth looks a bit odd, to me. He has on a very strange helmet and a skirt-like thing. I'm hoping he'll look better in the EE. __________________ "All rivers go to the sea, yet never does the sea become full."

01-07-2004, 11:09 AM	#12
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	To discuss whether the Mouth of Sauron will be in the RotK Extended Edition, click <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002504" TARGET=_blank>here</A> or <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002607" TARGET=_blank>here</A>.<P>To learn more about the Mouth of Sauron in the book, click <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001488" TARGET=_blank>here</A>.<P>To find out about Sauron and whether he was physically incarnate during the War of the Ring try <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search&search_forum=1" TARGET=_blank>searching</A> in Books or N&N under “Sauron” (he was, but he wasn’t just a giant, red, flaming eyeball).<P>Thread closed, as a duplicate on multiple counts. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!