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Old 09-01-2008, 01:19 PM   #121
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Whoa, that looks all too interesting - too promising from what I see, though, I am kind of afraid that I won't have the chance to obtain it
I'm hoping it might make for good thread topics! So some of it might be quoted, if it does!
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Old 09-01-2008, 01:24 PM   #122
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I'm hoping it might make for good thread topics! So some of it might be quoted, if it does!
Yup, I am pretty sure it might. Let's look forward to it...
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Old 09-01-2008, 02:31 PM   #123
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Whoa! Check out the contents of the Proceedings of Tolkien 2005:

http://www.tolkiensociety.org/2005/p...ngs/index.html

Stellar cast list plus a paper on just about everything. That should keep any reader going for a few months. This is a must-have book for me.

Esty gets a virtual drink if she can spot the obvious omission. I wonder why that has been left out?
It's expensive, but a little less than many academic books. Pity I won't be at Oxonmoot to pick it up, as a $40 price tag for mailing it internationally is steep methinks.

Was this Oxonmoot the first meeting of Esty, Lal, and davem or was that 2006?
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Old 09-01-2008, 03:26 PM   #124
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It's expensive, but a little less than many academic books. Pity I won't be at Oxonmoot to pick it up, as a $40 price tag for mailing it internationally is steep methinks.

Was this Oxonmoot the first meeting of Esty, Lal, and davem or was that 2006?
Well, Birmingham was In 2005 BC*. I remember when last year's Oxonmoot was on I was holed up in the Women's Hospital going stir crazy because they'd realised with much shock how large the young Prince was going to be and wouldn't let me go home. We went in 2006 and met Mithalwen! And narfforc, but the time he doesn't go to Oxonmoot we should all be worried





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Esty gets a virtual drink if she can spot the obvious omission. I wonder why that has been left out?
Dear me, now you have me curious! I wonder if the omission will be so obvious to me that I can find it without spending all day searching?

Of course, the Cambridge Society's live reading wouldn't be there - one of the events I enjoyed very much.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:20 AM   #126
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Dear me, now you have me curious! I wonder if the omission will be so obvious to me that I can find it without spending all day searching?

Of course, the Cambridge Society's live reading wouldn't be there - one of the events I enjoyed very much.
Ah, just a certain well known critic's papers are NOT included!
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:07 PM   #127
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Whoo! The huge wodge of text that is the 2005 Proceedings arrived today, which look like they could provide a rich mine of thread topics. I've only had a chance to browse through so far but I'm looking forwards to reading all the papers I missed and revising those I attended but have gone all misty in the back of my memory (plus I had the added joy of thinking the Royal Mail van was going to drive through the front of the house as he screeched up diagonally onto the pavement instead of actually 'parking').

It all looks most thorough, the papers all have proper footnotes and bibliographies and everything and there is a proper index. And they look well bound, too.
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Old 01-06-2009, 06:58 AM   #128
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Tolkien

I forgot to add this one:

Tolkien's Oxford by Bob Blackham

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tolkiens-Oxf...1246335&sr=8-1

I got this one for Christmas and while I'm snowed under with dozens of new books (and distracted from ploughing through 'em by many other kinds of 'stuff'), I've had a good look through and it's packed solid with ace photos, both old and current, of Oxford and its surrounding area. It's typical Bob Blackham and very entertaining and informative, plus has maps and all that gubbins for exploration purposes.

It's even better than his one on Brum.
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Ooh, that one looks excellent! Could have used it when I visited Oxford.
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This one looks interesting...

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Black & White Ogre Country, The Lost Tales of Hilary Tolkien


Description: Beautiful collection of short stories from a recently discovered notebook / scrapbook of Hilary Tolkien describing the childhhood adventures of himself and his brother JRR Tolkien. 80 pages including wonderful colour illustrations by Jef Murray. A must have for Tolkien fans, helps complete the biography, contains previously unseen extracts from letters by JRR Tolkien, his father, photo's of the brothers and family etc. Expertly and emotionally edited by Angela Gardner.
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Bo...6vci%3D3185100

Not out till later this month - by which time it should be available via Amazon

(Those of us who are members of the Tolkien Society, & have attended Oxonmoot will know the lovely Angie of Daeron's Books. )
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Old 01-07-2009, 04:28 PM   #131
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That's one to snap up ASAP, going by the short appearance in bookshops of The Tolkien Family Album!
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:49 PM   #132
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I have long been curious to learn more about Hilary Tolkien--how fascinating that one brother became an Oxford don and the other a farmer--so this looks doubly interesting. I shall reserve my copy promptly.
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Old 01-11-2009, 04:12 AM   #133
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More info on the Hilary book (as found by me mate geordie over at the Plaza)

http://www.tolkienbooks.net/?p=121
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:29 PM   #134
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tolkien-buecher.de, a German news service about Tolkien-related books, has informed of the translation of a Danish book to English, making it available to most of us for reading. It concerns a Jungian interpretation of the LotR; if you're interested, you can read the introductory chapter here: CG Jung page. The author is Pia Skogemann.
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:25 PM   #135
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Today I read about a book scam that also involves allegedly new books about Tolkien. For more information, here is the Wikipedia link. Before anyone pays for a poor copy of free information, do check whether it is genuine! If the editors' names are John McBrewster, Frederic P. Miller, and Agnes F. Vandome, don't buy it.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:57 PM   #136
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Thanks for the info. It's probably a matter of time before spambots selling them appear here.
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Apparently some bloke called J.K Tolkien or something like that, has written a story based on them films about The Lord of the Rings, is that new or what?
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I saw this this morning at a high-end bookstore. I've read the comments on Amazon, but before I buy this one I wanna know fellow Downers' opinions. It's a bit too pricey for me--over a thousand pesos for a person who buys mostly second-hands for fractions of that cost. Is it worth that much money?
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If you're into Norse mythology and/or alliterative verse, or interested in reading a poetical work by Tolkien set outside of Middle-earth, or interested in seeing the Prof rework some of the sources that inspired him in his own style and language, then yes, it's definitely worth reading. (About the money question - you might try to get it from a library and look for yourself before you decide whether to buy it or not. I was lucky to have it given to me as a birthday present, but I'd probably have bought it anyway.)
There's a thread with some comments and links to more reviews here.
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I met the author (Ethan Gilsdorf) at The Tolkien Society A.G.M in Chester a few years ago. He has since interviewed a number of Tolkien readers, myself amongst them. I haven't read it yet (on the xmas list), however I have read the reviews. I suggest you Google it and see what you think.
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Many of you are familiar with Anke Eissmann's Tolkien illustrations. Walking Tree Publishers has now published a book, Beowulf and the Dragon, with her illustrations and the Old English text and Modern English translation of an episode of the tale side by side. It's a luxury edition which will primarily interest collectors and fans of the Beowulf legend. The above link also includes links to her website and to an interview.
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As of today, the book Music in Middle-earth is available. More information on the Walking Tree website.

What a nice coincidence that today is Tolkien's birthday... (my precioussssss)
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Congratulations, Esty. Tremendous work. I look forward to reading it.
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Pipe Music in Middle-earth

I ordered two copies of the above, which I received yesterday. They are very nice to look at; and some relatives who saw them were impressed at the high quality.

There's a lot to read in Music; so it'll be some time before I can give a review of it.

As Bęthberry said, congratulations Esty!
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For once Amazon has alerted to something I am genuinely interested in:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0...8420851_snp_dp

As Poison Ivy can testify I am not gifted in spatial awareness and directions (still can't find her house without a map despite it being barely a mile away from where I have lived most of my life) and as a result I found Barbara Strachey's "Journeys of Frodo" a real boon when reading LOTR - particularly when the various companies diverge and I have never had a strong concept of the geography of Beleriand so I think I will break my "no more new books until I have read those I have already bought" resolution for this since I need to reread the primary works and I think this will be a great help.

Brian Sibley very kindly participated in our discussions of the BBC radio series (which we must complete sometime).
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From our 'Thunder-stealing' dept:

I notice the Sibley/Howe Hobbit map http://www.amazon.co.uk/There-Back-A...4707515&sr=1-2 is out at the same time & the LotR map edition is available http://www.amazon.co.uk/Road-Goes-Ev...d_bxgy_b_img_c.

All nice productions - actually there is a fourth - a map of Numenor, which as far as I'm aware is only available in the boxed set http://www.amazon.co.uk/Maps-Tolkien...4707998&sr=1-8
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