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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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Re: Dragons?

Ancalagon the Black slain by Earendil the Mariner
Smaug of Erebor slain by Bard, King in Dale
Scatha the Worm slain by Fram, King of the Eothed
Glaurung Father of Dragons slain by Turin Turmabar in Teiglin

More dragons appear in Tolkien's works, such as those who assailed the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains, and those who helped Acalagon in the assault upon Vingilot; but they are not named and their banes arenot mentioned.

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[Grond]

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Re: dragons

Well, there is no doubt that your answer is correct, but it is incomplete as well. I wanted to know ALL the dragons whose names are mentioned in Tolkien's works. It seems that you've forgotten that Tolkien it's not only Middle-Earth, and he also wrote some short stories where dragons also appear.

If Jes wants to pass you the turn, I'll agree, but I consider it's better to give the complete answer <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> .

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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Re: dragons

So I've named all the Middle-Earth ones?

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[Grond]

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Re: dragons

Of course you did. Well done.

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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Re: dragons

And can I ask? I don't think anyone will be able to name the other dragons Tolkien invented; at least I can't.

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[Grond]

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Re: dragons

Wait two days, if nobody has posted the complete answer, I'll give it and it will be your turn. OK?

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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Re: dragons

Okay.

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[Grond]

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Re: dragons

Crysophylax was the dragon who appeared in &quot;Farmer Giles of Ham&quot;, one of Tolkien´s short stories. It wasn't killed, but was defeated by Master Aegidius (Farmer Giles).
This thread it's all yours, Gwaihir.

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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Re: dragons

By whom was Glaurung, father of Dragons, first defeated?

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[Orald]

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Re: dragons

You like dragons, don't you Gwaihir? I was going to say the Dwarves of Belegost did, but I am not sure if it was even them or the Dwarves of Nogrod that battled with Gluarung. Then I realized that was not the first time Gluarung issued from Angband. Fingon and his archers is the answer I believe you are looking for my good man.

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: dragons

D's turn!

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[Orald]

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Elessar bore this only on special occasions and on high days. What was it?

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[Grond]

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The Elendilmir? The one found in Orthanc.

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[Orald]

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You are very correct Grond. Now it is your turn to ask again.

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[Orald]

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Where did Grond go?

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[Grond]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: dragons

Sorry, It's been impossible for me to connect these days.
Here's my question:

As far as I know, Tolkien only repeats one phrase in LOTR, what phrase is it?



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[Orald]

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It's what those ferocious lil dwarves say when going into battle isn't it?

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[Grond]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: dragons

That's not the one I remembered, but if you can give us some more information, I'll give you the turn.

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[Orald]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: dragons

It is probably some little thing that I am over looking. I don't really feel like looking back in the books so someone else should take a guess.

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[Grond]

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It seems that a clue it's needed. The phrase I'm looking for it's said twice, and both times in The Return of the King.

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[Mithadan]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: dragons

There's more than one. One is &quot;Grond crawled on&quot;. The second is a few paragraphs later, &quot; In rode the Lord of the Nazgul...&quot; I suspect there are many more, though the two above were clearly repeated intentionally for stylistic reasons.

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were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
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[Grond]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: dragons

I was looking for this phrase: &quot;But it was no orc-chieftain or brigand that led the assault upon Gondor.&quot;, which was also clearly repeated intencionally for stylistic and enphatic reasons (it's repeated in two different chapters, the second time as the first phrase in 6th chapter).
Your proposals were correct as well, Mithadan. Ask away.

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[Mithadan]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: dragons

What is the name of the wall around the Pelennor?

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

[HerenIstarion]

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Rammas Echor

A story must be told or there'll be no story, yet it is the untold stories that are most moving</p>

[Mithadan]

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Re: dragons

Correct H.I. Proceed.

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were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

[HerenIstarion]

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Re: dragons

This river had two tributary branches, and both (as well as the main river itself) were called equally (the difference was in adjectives). So what was the name?

A story must be told or there'll be no story, yet it is the untold stories that are most moving</p>

[Grond]

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Re: dragons

Gelion?

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[HerenIstarion]

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Re: dragons

right. your turn to shoot

A story must be told or there'll be no story, yet it is the untold stories that are most moving</p>

[Grond]

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Re: dragons

Upon what river was built Menegroth?

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[HerenIstarion]

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Re: dragons

Esgalduin.
[quote}Where the Esgalduin flowed down, and parted Neldoreth from Region, there rose in the midst of the forest a rocky hill, and the river ran at its feet. There they made the gates of the hall[/quote]

A story must be told or there'll be no story, yet it is the untold stories that are most moving</p>

[Grond]

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Re: dragons

Correct. Carry on.

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[HerenIstarion]

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Re: dragons

name the butler of Thranduil's hall

A story must be told or there'll be no story, yet it is the untold stories that are most moving</p>

[Voronwe]

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Re: dragons

The butler's name was Galion.

And with this post I shall become a Wright. Or is it the next one?



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[HerenIstarion]

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Re: dragons

next one indeed <img src=smile.gif ALT="">

BTW, you are right, go ahead

A story must be told or there'll be no story, yet it is the untold stories that are most moving</p>

[Voronwe]

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Re: dragons

Where was the Ship of Long Foam?


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[HerenIstarion]

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Re: dragons

it was an isle in Anduin the Greai (Cair Andros)

A story must be told or there'll be no story, yet it is the untold stories that are most moving</p>

[Voronwe]

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Re: dragons

Correct! Ask away.


-Voronwë
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[HerenIstarion]

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Re: dragons

ok than. who are the banakil

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[enep]

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Re: Banakil

Banakil is another name for Hobbits...it means halfling. I think it's Westron, but I can't be sure.

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[enep]

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Re: Banakil

Banakil is another name for Hobbits...it means halfling. <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> I think it's Westron, but I can't be sure.

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