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Gurthang · 10-30-2004, 08:39 PM

When you think about power, there are a lot of different ways to look at it. So this post is limited to physical power.

Excluding Eru, who is easily the most powerful being there is, there are many mighty beings. So the question is: Who do you think is the most powerful being in the circle of Arda?

My vote would have to go to Ungoliant. At the height of her power, she single handedly made Morgoth cry like a baby. She was chased away by a bunch of Balrogs, but in a fair, one-on-one fight, I think she could take anybody.

So, any challengers for this champion?

Estelyn Telcontar · 10-31-2004, 06:28 AM

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turgon · 10-31-2004, 12:49 PM

Tulkas. It was my impression he beat the batsnot out of melkor when the chain was placed on him. And also in domination of the world the powers that be would diminish. also I think Ungoliant appeared stronger then she was in holding melkor; as much of his spirit was spent already. I think

Mithalwen · 10-31-2004, 01:15 PM

I wouldn't pick a fight with Tulkas ... but powerful females terrify males :P

turgon · 10-31-2004, 09:12 PM

If your a powerful female; then why would you not pick a fight with tulkas? If males are scared by powerful women.

Elianna · 11-01-2004, 01:18 AM

....but if men are scared of powerful females, wouldn't that be a pyschological power, not physical?

My vote also goes for Tulkas, or Morgoth...I haven't read Sil yet, so I'm not quite certain.

Sapphire_Flame · 11-01-2004, 09:14 AM

Melkor. You know "He Who Arises in Might" and all that.

Abedithon le,

~ Saphy ~

Morgul Queen · 11-01-2004, 01:58 PM

Eonwe. He captured Morgoth and cast down Thangorodrim, something the Valar didn't do.

*waves 'Go Eonwe' flag*

Nimrodel_9 · 11-01-2004, 05:53 PM

2. Melkor/Morgoth- Was very powerful. Most everyone feared him.

1. Manwë- I would definitely say he was most powerful.

turgon · 11-01-2004, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elianna

....but if men are scared of powerful females, wouldn't that be a pyschological power, not physical?

Call me old fashioned, but I think psychology is magic... and it scares me alot.

Morgul Queen · 11-01-2004, 06:55 PM

*quirks eyebrow*

Psychology is just us femailes using what we know of you to predict your actions.

Not really all that hard.

*considers changing her name to Elenwe, just for kicks*

Elfchick7 · 11-17-2004, 07:37 AM

I would have to agree with Nimrodel on this one. Manwë was definitely the most powerful. Yes, he and Melkor were of equal strength at first but then Melkor fell to darkness and that was his own undoing.

Tevildo · 11-17-2004, 07:57 AM

Definitely Melkor! Since he's my master, I should definitely know....

Tevildo, Prince of Cats

AbercrombieOfRohan · 11-26-2004, 08:17 PM

I'm going to go slightly off-topic here and say that Melian was pretty powerful, not the most powerful, but fairly powerful. She controlled the borders of Doriath with the Girdle of Melian and kept the forces of Morgoth at bay, while still keeping Doriath looking like an elf-haven. Pretty good house keeping skills, I'd say. She also influenced Elu Thingol and seemed kind of like a person (elf) who wouldn't allow anyone's opinions to influence him. She's kind of a "pillow-talk" elf which I would say is a pretty powerful thing and I'd say that most of the ladies in here would agree. She's like the ultimate house wife! I bet the boys from Queer Eye are jealous.

Elmo · 04-10-2007, 01:12 PM

Of course He Who Arises in Might was the mightiest, what was that comment when Feanor shut the door in his face, well anyway that was before he spent his power making balrogs, dragons and general shenanigans.

Elfchick7 · 04-10-2007, 01:17 PM

I still hold to what I said b4. Melkor was the greatest but once he fell he became less than Manwe.

The 1,000 Reader · 04-10-2007, 05:40 PM

Mumaks, Shelob, Ungoliant, Balrogs, Dragons, etc. The topic's about sheer power, and these dudes have just that.

Raynor · 04-11-2007, 12:23 AM

Interestingly enough, in a discussion about the power of the fea of Men, Nienna says that the valar hold Mandos to be the most powerful:

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Originally Posted by Of rebirth and of other dooms of those that go to Mandos, Later Quenta Silmarillion, HoME X

Mandos you hold to be the strongest of all that are in Arda, being the least moved, and therefore you have dared to commit even the Marrer himself to his keeping.

LjósÁlfr · 04-13-2007, 01:54 PM

Since this post is limited to Physical power, I'm gonna have to say Tulkas. Not Melkor, Tulkas beated the crap out of that guy...... Manwë didn't do that either...

Morwen · 04-13-2007, 07:42 PM

I'll also say Tulkas. Of all the Valar he's said to be "greatest in strength and deeds of prowess".

10-30-2004, 08:39 PM	#1
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,435	No, I'm the biggest.... When you think about power, there are a lot of different ways to look at it. So this post is limited to physical power. Excluding Eru, who is easily the most powerful being there is, there are many mighty beings. So the question is: Who do you think is the most powerful being in the circle of Arda? My vote would have to go to Ungoliant. At the height of her power, she single handedly made Morgoth cry like a baby. She was chased away by a bunch of Balrogs, but in a fair, one-on-one fight, I think she could take anybody. So, any challengers for this champion? __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

10-31-2004, 06:28 AM	#2
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,535	This topic asks for opinions more than actual book discussions, so I'm moving it to the Novices and Newcomers forum where the opinion threads are located. Please continue to read and post there. Thanks! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

10-31-2004, 12:49 PM	#3
turgon Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Annagroth Posts: 57	Tulkas. It was my impression he beat the batsnot out of melkor when the chain was placed on him. And also in domination of the world the powers that be would diminish. also I think Ungoliant appeared stronger then she was in holding melkor; as much of his spirit was spent already. I think __________________ "What I have left behind I count now no loss, needless baggage on the road it has proved. Let those that cursed my name, curse me still, and whine their way back to the cages" " MIGHT IS RIGHT, DISSENT IS INTOLERABLE" Last edited by turgon; 10-31-2004 at 09:14 PM.

10-31-2004, 01:15 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,530	I wouldn't pick a fight with Tulkas ... but powerful females terrify males :P __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-31-2004, 09:12 PM	#5
turgon Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Annagroth Posts: 57	If your a powerful female; then why would you not pick a fight with tulkas? If males are scared by powerful women. __________________ "What I have left behind I count now no loss, needless baggage on the road it has proved. Let those that cursed my name, curse me still, and whine their way back to the cages" " MIGHT IS RIGHT, DISSENT IS INTOLERABLE"

11-01-2004, 01:18 AM	#6
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	....but if men are scared of powerful females, wouldn't that be a pyschological power, not physical? My vote also goes for Tulkas, or Morgoth...I haven't read Sil yet, so I'm not quite certain. __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

11-01-2004, 09:14 AM	#7
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,246	Melkor. You know "He Who Arises in Might" and all that. Abedithon le, ~ Saphy ~ __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

11-01-2004, 01:58 PM	#8
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	Eonwe. He captured Morgoth and cast down Thangorodrim, something the Valar didn't do. waves 'Go Eonwe' flag __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

11-01-2004, 05:53 PM	#9
Nimrodel_9 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 746	2. Melkor/Morgoth- Was very powerful. Most everyone feared him. 1. Manwë- I would definitely say he was most powerful. __________________ .:A friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart:.

11-01-2004, 06:55 PM	#11
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	quirks eyebrow Psychology is just us femailes using what we know of you to predict your actions. Not really all that hard. considers changing her name to Elenwe, just for kicks __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

11-17-2004, 07:37 AM	#12
Elfchick7 Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the Greenwood Posts: 201	I would have to agree with Nimrodel on this one. Manwë was definitely the most powerful. Yes, he and Melkor were of equal strength at first but then Melkor fell to darkness and that was his own undoing. __________________ "Yesterday is history. Tommorow is a mystery. Today is a gift from God. That's why it's called the PRESENT!"

11-17-2004, 07:57 AM	#13
Tevildo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Curled up on Melko's lap Posts: 425	Definitely Melkor! Since he's my master, I should definitely know.... Tevildo, Prince of Cats

11-26-2004, 08:17 PM	#14
AbercrombieOfRohan Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 326	I'm going to go slightly off-topic here and say that Melian was pretty powerful, not the most powerful, but fairly powerful. She controlled the borders of Doriath with the Girdle of Melian and kept the forces of Morgoth at bay, while still keeping Doriath looking like an elf-haven. Pretty good house keeping skills, I'd say. She also influenced Elu Thingol and seemed kind of like a person (elf) who wouldn't allow anyone's opinions to influence him. She's kind of a "pillow-talk" elf which I would say is a pretty powerful thing and I'd say that most of the ladies in here would agree. She's like the ultimate house wife! I bet the boys from Queer Eye are jealous.

04-10-2007, 01:12 PM	#15
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 641	Of course He Who Arises in Might was the mightiest, what was that comment when Feanor shut the door in his face, well anyway that was before he spent his power making balrogs, dragons and general shenanigans. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering. Last edited by hewhoarisesinmight; 04-10-2007 at 01:39 PM.

04-10-2007, 01:17 PM	#16
Elfchick7 Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the Greenwood Posts: 201	I still hold to what I said b4. Melkor was the greatest but once he fell he became less than Manwe. __________________ "Yesterday is history. Tommorow is a mystery. Today is a gift from God. That's why it's called the PRESENT!"

04-10-2007, 05:40 PM	#17
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	Mumaks, Shelob, Ungoliant, Balrogs, Dragons, etc. The topic's about sheer power, and these dudes have just that. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains Last edited by The 1,000 Reader; 04-10-2007 at 05:54 PM.

04-13-2007, 01:54 PM	#19
LjósÁlfr Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sá er einn staðr þar, er kallaðr er Álfheimr. There is a place in the sky, that's called Elf Home. Posts: 23	Since this post is limited to Physical power, I'm gonna have to say Tulkas. Not Melkor, Tulkas beated the crap out of that guy...... Manwë didn't do that either...

04-13-2007, 07:42 PM	#20
Morwen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 275	I'll also say Tulkas. Of all the Valar he's said to be "greatest in strength and deeds of prowess".