Do there still live people in Erigon? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Helkahothion · 05-08-2003, 06:34 AM

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Eregion is the name of the land along the west side of the Misty Mountains between Rivendell and Moria. Men call it Hollin because of the holly trees that grow there. It was once the home of the great Elven-smiths, who traded with the Dwarves of Moria for the precious metal mithril. It was there that the Rings of Power were made. Now it is an empty and desolate land.

I needed a village for an RPG and it had to be not fameous. I checked with Alkoonion and he gave me that. What I wonder is, are there still living people there? Is it possible that there is a village that went unnoticed?

Morwen Tindomerel · 05-08-2003, 09:04 AM

Highly unlikely in my opinion. Hollin is specifically said to be abandoned by Tolkien and that makes sense given that any people there would be subject to raiding from the Orcs in Moria.

I would suggest you locate your village in old Cardolan, it's quite possible there are sill Men and Hobbits living there.

Helkahothion · 05-08-2003, 09:07 AM

Cardalon eh? Where is that place anyway? Are there mountains nearby?

Aule · 05-08-2003, 10:01 AM

What about where the stoors used to live near the gladden fields. That would be a cool place to place a town or village. So close to Dol Guldor and the rest of the evil in Mirkwood. Plus there are homsteads in the area i think. But no real settlements

Helkahothion · 05-08-2003, 01:10 PM

Yes, but the thing is: I need mountains.

Ransom · 05-08-2003, 01:25 PM

A few places come to mind:

1) East of the Ered Nimrais mountains in western Gondor. (Or, conversely, sout west of Helm's deep.

2) FOTR and the Hobbit mention settlers living between the Misty Mountains and the western edge of Mirkwood.

3) If you want a dwarvish settlement, there's always the Iron Hills.

4) I'm not sure if anything is mentioned in the BOLT or some of Tolkein's lesser works, but Ered Luin (north of the Grey Havens) or the Blue Mountains could work.

Helkahothion · 05-08-2003, 01:47 PM

Ered Luin sounds cool. The name appeals to me. Ered Luin it is. North of the Grey havens we shall go. Let's ride!

Maeglin · 05-08-2003, 01:59 PM

That's a really nice place! Does it live anyone there? There must be a reason to name it, right?

Helkahothion · 05-08-2003, 02:05 PM

It's a chain of mountains. I can invent the village myself. Simply perfect!
Always like creating things myself.

Morwen Tindomerel · 05-08-2003, 05:53 PM

Cardolan is a division of Arnor between the Baranduin and the Gwathlo, no mountains. As for the Ered Luin, might I recommend the southern Ered Luin as the site for your village, the northern mountains are almost certainly too dangerous. BTW who lives in this village? Tolkien does say there are no settled dwellings of Men west of the Shire. Of course Bilbo, (from whose book the information is taken) could have been mistaken on that point.

Helkahothion · 05-09-2003, 02:45 AM

Humans. The point of the story is that the two characters in my story are going to help the villagers get rid of two cave trolls. That explains the moutains. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Morwen Tindomerel · 05-09-2003, 09:01 AM

IMO there are unlikely to be trolls in the Ered Luin, which are still inhabited by Dwarves and right next door to the Elven realm of Lindon. If that's your storyline I think a village in the vales of the Anduin beneath the Misty Mountains would be a better choice.

Helkahothion · 05-09-2003, 11:58 AM

Are there any villages there?

Morwen Tindomerel · 05-09-2003, 03:56 PM

Oh, yeah, tons. Well several anyway. I mean the people Beorn organizes into a state must have already been living there. Personally I see the Anduin Vale as being fairly thickly populated by Men of both Beorning and Northmen type. There may well be Hobbits there too, descended from Smeagol's people.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-09-2003, 07:40 PM

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Cardalon eh? Where is that place anyway?

There speaks a Ghost Prince of Cardolan. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Helkahothion · 05-10-2003, 05:51 AM

lol

So a Beorn village it is. Wow, this is the first time I gathered information before writing. My last FF had no research at all haahhaa.

05-08-2003, 10:01 AM	#4
Aule Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hammering away in Valinor Posts: 126	What about where the stoors used to live near the gladden fields. That would be a cool place to place a town or village. So close to Dol Guldor and the rest of the evil in Mirkwood. Plus there are homsteads in the area i think. But no real settlements __________________ For him that is pitiless, the deeds of pity are ever strange and beyond reckoning - of Melkor before his final downfall

05-08-2003, 01:25 PM	#6
Ransom Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Some randomn dorm in Pittsburgh Posts: 231	A few places come to mind: 1) East of the Ered Nimrais mountains in western Gondor. (Or, conversely, sout west of Helm's deep. 2) FOTR and the Hobbit mention settlers living between the Misty Mountains and the western edge of Mirkwood. 3) If you want a dwarvish settlement, there's always the Iron Hills. 4) I'm not sure if anything is mentioned in the BOLT or some of Tolkein's lesser works, but Ered Luin (north of the Grey Havens) or the Blue Mountains could work. __________________ "The blood of the dead mixes with the the flowing sand and grants more power to the killer."--Gaara of the Desert

05-08-2003, 01:59 PM	#8
Maeglin Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nan Elmoth Posts: 136	That's a really nice place! Does it live anyone there? There must be a reason to name it, right? __________________ The fool speaks of what he knows. The wise knows what he speaks of.

05-08-2003, 09:04 AM	#2
Morwen Tindomerel Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden Posts: 187	Highly unlikely in my opinion. Hollin is specifically said to be abandoned by Tolkien and that makes sense given that any people there would be subject to raiding from the Orcs in Moria. I would suggest you locate your village in old Cardolan, it's quite possible there are sill Men and Hobbits living there.

05-08-2003, 09:07 AM	#3
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,100	Cardalon eh? Where is that place anyway? Are there mountains nearby?

05-08-2003, 01:10 PM	#5
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,100	Yes, but the thing is: I need mountains.

05-08-2003, 01:47 PM	#7
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,100	Ered Luin sounds cool. The name appeals to me. Ered Luin it is. North of the Grey havens we shall go. Let's ride!

05-08-2003, 02:05 PM	#9
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,100	It's a chain of mountains. I can invent the village myself. Simply perfect! Always like creating things myself.

05-08-2003, 05:53 PM	#10
Morwen Tindomerel Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden Posts: 187	Cardolan is a division of Arnor between the Baranduin and the Gwathlo, no mountains. As for the Ered Luin, might I recommend the southern Ered Luin as the site for your village, the northern mountains are almost certainly too dangerous. BTW who lives in this village? Tolkien does say there are no settled dwellings of Men west of the Shire. Of course Bilbo, (from whose book the information is taken) could have been mistaken on that point.

05-09-2003, 02:45 AM	#11
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,100	Humans. The point of the story is that the two characters in my story are going to help the villagers get rid of two cave trolls. That explains the moutains. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

05-09-2003, 09:01 AM	#12
Morwen Tindomerel Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden Posts: 187	IMO there are unlikely to be trolls in the Ered Luin, which are still inhabited by Dwarves and right next door to the Elven realm of Lindon. If that's your storyline I think a village in the vales of the Anduin beneath the Misty Mountains would be a better choice.

05-09-2003, 11:58 AM	#13
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,100	Are there any villages there?

05-09-2003, 03:56 PM	#14
Morwen Tindomerel Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden Posts: 187	Oh, yeah, tons. Well several anyway. I mean the people Beorn organizes into a state must have already been living there. Personally I see the Anduin Vale as being fairly thickly populated by Men of both Beorning and Northmen type. There may well be Hobbits there too, descended from Smeagol's people.

05-10-2003, 05:51 AM	#16
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,100	lol So a Beorn village it is. Wow, this is the first time I gathered information before writing. My last FF had no research at all haahhaa.