Contradicive statement - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Telchar · 09-23-2005, 05:24 AM

Hi.
I dont know if the thread-title is fitting, but the idea is to come up with a confusing statement + a question.

For exsampel:
Statement: My name is Haldir, but Rumil is not my brother!
Question: What was my fathers name?
Answer: Halmir

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Statement: My name is Barahir, but niether Beren or Dior was my son!
Question: Who was my grand father?

The Perky Ent · 09-23-2005, 07:40 AM

Faramir!

Sounds like this could get interesting...

Telchar · 09-23-2005, 09:37 AM

Yep Faramir is correct, his grandson Barahir was accounted as the one that wrote the latter part of the tale of Aragorn and Arwen.

You're up Perky

The Perky Ent · 09-23-2005, 09:47 AM

Let me see if I can do this...

Statement: My name is Elendil, but Isildur is not my son
Question: Who are my cousins?

Telchar · 09-23-2005, 03:13 PM

Excellent question Perky!

Your cousins are: Yávien, Oromendil and Axantur. The latter being the Great Grand father of Hallacar, who married Tar-Ancalime.

The Perky Ent · 09-23-2005, 04:17 PM

Indeed! Back to you, Telchar!

Telchar · 09-24-2005, 12:10 AM

Statement: Aragorn is my son, but I am not Arathorn
Question: WHATS MY NAME????

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-24-2005, 12:54 AM

Gilraen! (If it's not the father, it has to be the mother...)

[Hi there, Telchar! Nice to encounter you here! Intriguing thread idea!]

HerenIstarion · 09-24-2005, 02:37 AM

Or maybe Aravir, father to Aragorn I

Telchar · 09-24-2005, 08:15 AM

You are of course both correct, Esty was first!

HI Esty, wassup?

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-24-2005, 09:42 AM

How about this one?

Faramir is my grandson, but I am not Ecthelion. Who is my nephew?

(Busy as always, Telch - both on- and offline!)

The Perky Ent · 09-24-2005, 09:46 AM

Could it be Meriadoc?

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-24-2005, 09:57 AM

Applause!! Very well done, Perky! Take it away...

The Perky Ent · 09-24-2005, 10:04 AM

Thanks Esty!

Statement: Voronwë is my name, but I am not of Gondor
Question: What is my surname?

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-24-2005, 10:26 AM

Do you mean Tréowine in the Notion Club Papers (HoME IX)?

There is a Voronwë of Gondolin, but I haven't been able to find a surname for him.

The Perky Ent · 09-24-2005, 11:23 AM

Hehe

No I don't mean Tréowine in the Notion Club Papers (HoME IX)?

And as for Voronwe of Gondolin, look harder

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-24-2005, 01:10 PM

I have found alternate names for Voronwë: Bronweg and Bronwë. That's all so far - no surname(s). If those aren't what you're looking for, could you please give a clue as to where to search?

The Perky Ent · 09-24-2005, 01:15 PM

Snope, and Snope

As for hints, I got it from one of my many resources, so if you want the link I can give it to you, if not, i'll just have to wait

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-24-2005, 01:17 PM

I do hope it's not a game invention or something like that!! It does need to be canonical Tolkien (i.e. book source) to be valid.

The Perky Ent · 09-24-2005, 01:19 PM

It is a book resource, but since you are so persistant, consider looking in the chapter concering Tuor and Gondolin

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-24-2005, 01:21 PM

Eureka! I was just doing exactly that, and I found it! It's Aranwion.

The Perky Ent · 09-24-2005, 01:22 PM

Correctamundo! I proudly yield the thread to you!

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-24-2005, 01:31 PM

My name is Fastred, but I am not of Rohan.
Whom did I marry?

The Perky Ent · 09-24-2005, 01:34 PM

Why that woudl be Elanore, the daughter of Samwise

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-24-2005, 01:37 PM

Yes indeed! It's all yours...

The Perky Ent · 09-24-2005, 02:02 PM

Mwa ha ha ha ha!

My name is Ruby, but Drogo is not my son
Who is my youngest uncle?

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-25-2005, 06:26 AM

It's Carl Cotton, also known as "Nibs".

The Perky Ent · 09-25-2005, 08:33 AM

'Tis indeed! Your turn

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-25-2005, 10:05 AM

My first name is the same as one of Frodo's friends', but I am not a Hobbit.
Whose travelling companion am I?

Telchar · 09-26-2005, 04:15 AM

A wild guess would be that you name was Strider and that you were Frodos travelling companion, but also that you were a pony

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-26-2005, 07:54 AM

The latter part of your guess is coming pretty close to the solution, Telch, but try a different friend's name...

Rimbaud · 09-26-2005, 08:38 AM

Bill?

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-26-2005, 08:43 AM

Nope - Frodo didn't have a friend named Bill!

Rimbaud · 09-26-2005, 08:49 AM

Ol' apple-chucker Ferny doesn't count as a pal then, eh? Tsk.

Rimbaud · 09-26-2005, 08:54 AM

Ah, right. Tom's pony Fatty Lumpkin. (Mr Bolger being his 'alter ego').

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-26-2005, 08:58 AM

And the answer to the question is?

Rimbaud · 09-26-2005, 09:01 AM

Tom B, I presume. Or am I missing the point?

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-26-2005, 09:10 AM

Yes, that's what I was looking for. Sorry, but the complicated (convuluted, even!) manner of the questions here required me to be precise (picky, even). Your turn!

Rimbaud · 09-26-2005, 03:08 PM

My name is Nimloth, although I am no tree.
Who was my uncle then?

Elianna · 09-26-2005, 05:20 PM

Celeborn.

09-23-2005, 05:24 AM	#1
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Contradicive statement Hi. I dont know if the thread-title is fitting, but the idea is to come up with a confusing statement + a question. For exsampel: Statement: My name is Haldir, but Rumil is not my brother! Question: What was my fathers name? Answer: Halmir ------------------------------------------------------------ Statement: My name is Barahir, but niether Beren or Dior was my son! Question: Who was my grand father? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-23-2005, 07:40 AM	#2
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Faramir! Sounds like this could get interesting... __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-23-2005, 09:37 AM	#3
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Yep Faramir is correct, his grandson Barahir was accounted as the one that wrote the latter part of the tale of Aragorn and Arwen. You're up Perky __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-23-2005, 09:47 AM	#4
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Let me see if I can do this... Statement: My name is Elendil, but Isildur is not my son Question: Who are my cousins? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-23-2005, 03:13 PM	#5
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Excellent question Perky! Your cousins are: Yávien, Oromendil and Axantur. The latter being the Great Grand father of Hallacar, who married Tar-Ancalime. __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-23-2005, 04:17 PM	#6
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Indeed! Back to you, Telchar! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-24-2005, 12:10 AM	#7
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Statement: Aragorn is my son, but I am not Arathorn Question: WHATS MY NAME???? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-24-2005, 12:54 AM	#8
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	Gilraen! (If it's not the father, it has to be the mother...) [Hi there, Telchar! Nice to encounter you here! Intriguing thread idea!] __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-24-2005, 02:37 AM	#9
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,301	Interesting thread indeed Or maybe Aravir, father to Aragorn I __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

09-24-2005, 08:15 AM	#10
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	You are of course both correct, Esty was first! HI Esty, wassup? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-24-2005, 09:42 AM	#11
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	How about this one? Faramir is my grandson, but I am not Ecthelion. Who is my nephew? (Busy as always, Telch - both on- and offline!) __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-24-2005, 09:46 AM	#12
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Could it be Meriadoc? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-24-2005, 09:57 AM	#13
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	Applause!! Very well done, Perky! Take it away... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-24-2005, 10:04 AM	#14
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Thanks Esty! Statement: Voronwë is my name, but I am not of Gondor Question: What is my surname? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-24-2005, 10:26 AM	#15
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	Do you mean Tréowine in the Notion Club Papers (HoME IX)? There is a Voronwë of Gondolin, but I haven't been able to find a surname for him. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-24-2005, 11:23 AM	#16
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Hehe No I don't mean Tréowine in the Notion Club Papers (HoME IX)? And as for Voronwe of Gondolin, look harder __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-24-2005, 01:10 PM	#17
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	I have found alternate names for Voronwë: Bronweg and Bronwë. That's all so far - no surname(s). If those aren't what you're looking for, could you please give a clue as to where to search? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-24-2005, 01:15 PM	#18
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Snope, and Snope As for hints, I got it from one of my many resources, so if you want the link I can give it to you, if not, i'll just have to wait __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-24-2005, 01:17 PM	#19
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	I do hope it's not a game invention or something like that!! It does need to be canonical Tolkien (i.e. book source) to be valid. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-24-2005, 01:19 PM	#20
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	It is a book resource, but since you are so persistant, consider looking in the chapter concering Tuor and Gondolin __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-24-2005, 01:21 PM	#21
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	Eureka! I was just doing exactly that, and I found it! It's Aranwion. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-24-2005, 01:22 PM	#22
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Correctamundo! I proudly yield the thread to you! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-24-2005, 01:31 PM	#23
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	My name is Fastred, but I am not of Rohan. Whom did I marry? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-24-2005, 01:34 PM	#24
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Why that woudl be Elanore, the daughter of Samwise __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-24-2005, 01:37 PM	#25
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	Yes indeed! It's all yours... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-24-2005, 02:02 PM	#26
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Mwa ha ha ha ha! My name is Ruby, but Drogo is not my son Who is my youngest uncle? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-25-2005, 06:26 AM	#27
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	It's Carl Cotton, also known as "Nibs". __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-25-2005, 08:33 AM	#28
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Correctamundo! 'Tis indeed! Your turn __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-25-2005, 10:05 AM	#29
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	My first name is the same as one of Frodo's friends', but I am not a Hobbit. Whose travelling companion am I? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-26-2005, 04:15 AM	#30
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	A wild guess would be that you name was Strider and that you were Frodos travelling companion, but also that you were a pony __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-26-2005, 07:54 AM	#31
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	The latter part of your guess is coming pretty close to the solution, Telch, but try a different friend's name... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-26-2005, 08:38 AM	#32
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,096	Pony up Bill? __________________ And all the rest is literature

09-26-2005, 08:43 AM	#33
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	Nope - Frodo didn't have a friend named Bill! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-26-2005, 08:49 AM	#34
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,096	Ol' apple-chucker Ferny doesn't count as a pal then, eh? Tsk. __________________ And all the rest is literature

09-26-2005, 08:54 AM	#35
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,096	Ah, right. Tom's pony Fatty Lumpkin. (Mr Bolger being his 'alter ego'). __________________ And all the rest is literature