Where's Aiglos? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Perky Ent · 04-03-2004, 09:25 AM

I have realized something. After the battle where Gil-Galad and Elendil died, and Aiglos and Narcil were set together in Imladris, how come in the movie you can't see Aiglos in Rivendel with the shards of Narcil. I know they made Aiglos, because in the prologue of FOTR, they shot Gil-Galad fighting. His name is even in the credits. And I know, thank's to "The Lord of the Rings Weapons and Warfare", that he definitly used it. So how come it's not in sight in Rivendel? It should've been close to Narcil, to show the bond of the two kings....so where is it?

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Gil-Galad ech vaegannen matha, Gil-Galad wields a well-made spear;
Aith helgnin I orch gostatha; The Orc will fear my point of ice
Nin cÌniel na nguruthos When he sees me, in fear of death
Hon essenÌn istatha: Aiglos He will know my name: Aiglos

Gil Galad · 04-03-2004, 10:17 AM

Aiglos proably wasn't set together with narsil because Elrond thought that since Isuildur wasn't able to destroy the ring, Aiglos shouldn't be set with Narsil, but that's just my opinion.

The Perky Ent · 04-03-2004, 10:37 AM

Um...Gil-Galad, are you speaking from the Book P.O.V. or the Movie P.O.V.? Because the book POV says that Aiglos was set aside Narcil. And if you are taking about the movie version, please explain your logic, because i don't understand it!

Gil Galad · 04-03-2004, 11:27 AM

The movie, I think that Elrond didn't set them side-by-side because he thought that Narsil was "unworthy" so to speak.

Thorongil · 04-03-2004, 01:15 PM

Why put Aiglos in the movie at all? It didn't need to be in Rivendell since half of it was shown for less than a second. But the book is another matter.

Elianna · 04-03-2004, 03:06 PM

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Elrond didn't set them side-by-side because he thought that Narsil was "unworthy".

Unworthy? That's why he put Narsil on a raised pedestal?

I looked at the galleries and watched the Boromir and Aragorn scene, the one with the shards of Narsil, and I think Aiglos was in there. There were pairs of spears displayed on either side of the Isildur and Sauron mural. Maybe Aiglos was one of those.

The annoying part about the movie's Gil-galad to me is this:
"His shining helm afar was seen" in the book, in the movie he has a wussy little crown of laurels.
"The countless stars of heaven's field were mirrored in his silver shield" in the book, in the movie there are stars etched on his golden shield.

The Perky Ent · 04-05-2004, 10:29 PM

I looked at the movie and i didn't see spears, let alone Aiglos! Maybe it's the extended edition but i think you are seeing things

Numenorean · 04-06-2004, 04:13 AM

Perky , I think Gil-Galad & his spear are in both the cinema and the ext. editions of the FoTR prologue, only briefly but there nonetheless -

- Inscriptions on Aiglos -

Firefoot · 04-06-2004, 06:25 AM

I think I found it in Rivendell. When Boromir and Aragorn are talking in the library place Aiglos is just to the right of the picture of Isildur with Narsil. You can see it best just before Boromir walks over to see the shards of Narsil. It looks like it is between two standards, but the middle one (presumably Aiglos) doesn't look like it. It also looks quite a bit like the spear in Númenorean's picture. This is on the EE, but I think this part is in the theatre edition too.

The Perky Ent · 04-06-2004, 09:24 AM

Well i know that you could see it both versions during the Last Great Battle...or whatever they call it. As for Rivendell, i saw the spear to the right of the mural and failed to see Aiglos. No, i think that was just a spear from Rivendell. So then it is Peter Jacksons blunder. The thing i do not understand, is the he had Aiglos, why didn't he use it. Now i think it's because there's a big deal about Narcil and Anduril and reforging and such, so they didn't want to cram the viewer's with one more sacred weapon. Unless it was done in post production and you get tons of problems there. So, I guess they ditched Aiglos. But then, i don't think it would be a big thought to them.

Silmiel of Imladris · 04-06-2004, 07:30 PM

Is it just me or does Gil-Galad look like George Bush in that picture...ok never mind... Ahem..anyway I think this is another case of...Dum...Dum...Dum...PLOT SIMPILFICATION!!! For the sake of the non-readers Aiglos was not put in because the non-reader would be confused on which weapon was really important, Narsil or Aiglos. PJ wanted the audience to concentrate on Narsil so he didn't through Aiglos in the spotlight too. There is probably a similar reason for Gil-Galad not having much screen time. PJ wanted to the audience to concentrate on Elrond because of his role later.

The Perky Ent · 04-13-2004, 10:38 PM

Yes, it is like PG to do that.

Oh well. And Gil-Galad looking like George Bush?!? Are you nuts...wait a minute, he does have a resemblace. Maybe you should start a thread of look a likes, starting with Gil-Galad and George Bush

04-03-2004, 09:25 AM	#1
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Where's Aiglos? I have realized something. After the battle where Gil-Galad and Elendil died, and Aiglos and Narcil were set together in Imladris, how come in the movie you can't see Aiglos in Rivendel with the shards of Narcil. I know they made Aiglos, because in the prologue of FOTR, they shot Gil-Galad fighting. His name is even in the credits. And I know, thank's to "The Lord of the Rings Weapons and Warfare", that he definitly used it. So how come it's not in sight in Rivendel? It should've been close to Narcil, to show the bond of the two kings....so where is it? ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Gil-Galad ech vaegannen matha, Gil-Galad wields a well-made spear; Aith helgnin I orch gostatha; The Orc will fear my point of ice Nin cÌniel na nguruthos When he sees me, in fear of death Hon essenÌn istatha: Aiglos He will know my name: Aiglos __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

04-03-2004, 10:17 AM	#2
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	Aiglos proably wasn't set together with narsil because Elrond thought that since Isuildur wasn't able to destroy the ring, Aiglos shouldn't be set with Narsil, but that's just my opinion. __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK

04-03-2004, 10:37 AM	#3
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Um...Gil-Galad, are you speaking from the Book P.O.V. or the Movie P.O.V.? Because the book POV says that Aiglos was set aside Narcil. And if you are taking about the movie version, please explain your logic, because i don't understand it! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

04-03-2004, 11:27 AM	#4
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	The movie, I think that Elrond didn't set them side-by-side because he thought that Narsil was "unworthy" so to speak. __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK

04-03-2004, 01:15 PM	#5
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	Why put Aiglos in the movie at all? It didn't need to be in Rivendell since half of it was shown for less than a second. But the book is another matter. __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

04-05-2004, 10:29 PM	#7
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	I looked at the movie and i didn't see spears, let alone Aiglos! Maybe it's the extended edition but i think you are seeing things __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

04-06-2004, 04:13 AM	#8
Numenorean Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bay of Eldanna Posts: 94	Perky , I think Gil-Galad & his spear are in both the cinema and the ext. editions of the FoTR prologue, only briefly but there nonetheless - - Inscriptions on Aiglos - __________________ '…Avallónë, the haven of the Eldar upon Eressëa, easternmost of the Undying Lands, and thence at times the Firstborn still would come sailing to Númenor in oarless boats, as white birds flying from the sunset…'

04-06-2004, 06:25 AM	#9
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I think I found it in Rivendell. When Boromir and Aragorn are talking in the library place Aiglos is just to the right of the picture of Isildur with Narsil. You can see it best just before Boromir walks over to see the shards of Narsil. It looks like it is between two standards, but the middle one (presumably Aiglos) doesn't look like it. It also looks quite a bit like the spear in Númenorean's picture. This is on the EE, but I think this part is in the theatre edition too.

04-06-2004, 09:24 AM	#10
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Well i know that you could see it both versions during the Last Great Battle...or whatever they call it. As for Rivendell, i saw the spear to the right of the mural and failed to see Aiglos. No, i think that was just a spear from Rivendell. So then it is Peter Jacksons blunder. The thing i do not understand, is the he had Aiglos, why didn't he use it. Now i think it's because there's a big deal about Narcil and Anduril and reforging and such, so they didn't want to cram the viewer's with one more sacred weapon. Unless it was done in post production and you get tons of problems there. So, I guess they ditched Aiglos. But then, i don't think it would be a big thought to them. __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

04-06-2004, 07:30 PM	#11
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	Is it just me or does Gil-Galad look like George Bush in that picture...ok never mind... Ahem..anyway I think this is another case of...Dum...Dum...Dum...PLOT SIMPILFICATION!!! For the sake of the non-readers Aiglos was not put in because the non-reader would be confused on which weapon was really important, Narsil or Aiglos. PJ wanted the audience to concentrate on Narsil so he didn't through Aiglos in the spotlight too. There is probably a similar reason for Gil-Galad not having much screen time. PJ wanted to the audience to concentrate on Elrond because of his role later. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

04-13-2004, 10:38 PM	#12
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Yes, it is like PG to do that. Oh well. And Gil-Galad looking like George Bush?!? Are you nuts...wait a minute, he does have a resemblace. Maybe you should start a thread of look a likes, starting with Gil-Galad and George Bush __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'